Utg range bud.

Lots of value hands to bet on turn

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I'll let you know when I finally find a good LAG at LLSNL who does check not wanting to get blown off equity...

Be patient, its gonna be a while.

Good lags are like a unicorn.

So are Lags, that are just gonna barrel 2 or 3 streets with cheese, from utg.

Not talking about maniac, or spewtard

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Also, a lot of Lags value bet range on turn. Hates to see a raise here.

Raising here can very easily slow him down in future. Which may not actually help a nit, who is afraid to get money on middle without nuts (in this case with the nutz)

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V as described ITT does not have a "value heavy" EP range here. I don't know where you got that V was UTG, but even that probably doesn't mean that much.

He's probably something like 30+% of hands. The majority of which is air.

HU, he's going to fire at least 2 barrels on 90+% of flops.

I really don't ever want these guys to slow down.

Did you read OP?

Just because he list him as Lag. Doesn't mean guy is idiot. Also nowhere does it state he is barreling 90% of time. Or opening 30% from UTG.

Guy your describing is not a lag. He is a aggro dolt.

Actually not 1 thing the OP states, implies anything fishy besides he is a Lag.

He went for thin value and found top end of fishes range.

And likes to apply pressure when he thinks timing is right. (Actually sounds like tough player, not aggro dolt).

Your responses are reason I crush at 1/2.

Call, call, call with TPTK, and watch Lag get "lucky" and print money.



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Where are you getting UTG from?

Happy to answer. As soon as you do.

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Lulz... answer what? You're the one who brought up UTG in post #51 ITT.

OP says V was in EP. EP is not UTG (and I presume he would have said UTG if he was).

OP says V is "Villain is loose aggressive and capable of making plays when he senses the time is right." This means V is probably an "aggro dolt" using your description. Virtually always when I see someone described as a LAG, they are actually an "aggro dolt" as you describe.

Looks like you cannot read. My apologies for setting you off.

Ok, everyone knock off the sarcasm.

While it would be great that the villain had a FH, the problem is that he should have bet the FH on the river. He's been pounding the pot the whole way done with Hero calling. At worst he should expect Hero to have a flush here. If it is a weak flush, Hero should be checking behind. So I don't think there's a lot of a chance we'll see a c/r.

My guess is that he has a high flush. That can probably call $150, as CammAndo suggests. I doubt he raises it on a paired board against old white guy (speaking as an old white guy).

Why you putting him on high flush?

Guessing he leads most his high flush cards.

Agree, tough to get call from much other than a flush.

Really not sure if betting big or betting small is more EV

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Mikko you come across as just brutal in here. Please get over yourself. You provided nothing to the discussion except to say "lol that's why I crush 1/2" .

I like a small bet here for 65-70, give this lag a chance to lag it up

I said I'm an OLDER white guy, not an OLD white guy. Geez. I'm not OMC.

I said in OP that V opened from EP. It wasn't UTG.

Did you forget what the world looks like to 20-somethings, Gramps?

I wait for the bestest spots, like playing HU4rollz with you

Don't forget to hollywood a bit before you call

Just attacking bad advice.

If you want to flat flop, and flat turn. What are your reasons?

One answer was because he is gonna double barrel air alot at 90% clip.

(Simply not true)

Other standard answer is to keep his range wide, and keep his bluffs in.

Well, 3 barrels with air at 1/2 are as rare as a good lag is. So counting on someone to bluff 3 streets is bad strategy in general.

In this case, we win the minimum the 18% of time the river comes 4 flush (regardless if he has flush or not).

Passive poker is losing poker (unless your Phil Helmuth).

Turning 100% of your range into a bluff catching status, isn't the best way to maximize your profits.

Raise on turn or even flop (although I lean more to turn raise), going to put max pressure on his value range.

Most lags make alot of mistakes postflop. You may even get stacks in vs over pair. (Not likely). But if you don't raise before river, he doesn't have a chance to make a huge mistake.

As a lag, when I do get raised by someone who slow plays all his set+, 2 pair.

His raising range is super small, weighted mostly to draws. Allowing me to play almost perfect against them.

Get the money in quicker for more profit!!!

Don't let deck kill your action.

Even if he has QQ in this spot. A simple A, or K. Is going to kill your action.

If OP stated he was 3 barreling alot. Then maybe (still doubt it with quads), we can wait till river





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What is his value range exactly?

Can admit misread OP.

EP = utg, and utg+1

So it makes little difference

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Again I will answer your question. Even though you just answer questions with questions.

I open more than 85% of players at 1/2 (I do not have regular access to higher games localy)

Value range here.
10s+,
A10s, KQdd, A5dd, A4dd, A3dd, A2dd

Plus depending on table conditions, may have QJdd, 10jdd (actually almost always open this specific hand), even q10s, and k10s (if 3 betting is rare).





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What specific hands do you see 3 barreling on this board?

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So in order for him to have this value range OTT, he necessarily must have at least 17% range, as played, OTF.

17% is [Axs, ATo+, broadway connectors, K9s+, 55+, suited connectors to 87s]

IMO, he's much wider then this. You can add probably all suited kings, for example, and get to 20%. IMO, he's opening lots of S1C too. My earlier comment of 30+% might be a little wide, but he's at least 25% of hands as played.

This range, OTF, is mostly air. But its not going to matter, he's going to cbet 100% of his range.

Therefore his range OTT is also mostly air. Now we start to consider what range is he going to fire that 2nd barrel with?

HU, I think its going to be very wide still. [A-big, AdYx, PPs] at the least (not including hands he thinks are value hands).

Ummm... still having reading issues I see.

I never said V was going to fire 3 barrels.

In fact, I specifically said, V's line probably would be b/f flop, b/f turn, x/? river.

If he is not going to 3 barrel. Then why is calling better than raising?

Bigger the pot on river. The more advantages it is to us.




Again, what in OP, would make you assume he is opening wider than this. Kxs from utg does not go along with OP'S read. Or any decent strategy (even from lags perspective)

Also, if that is the case. Not sure I would title him a lag.


Even if this is case. You still haven't shown how calling turn is +EV over raising.


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By calling turn.

What hands can villain have we are expecting to see an increase in EV?

How does taking a passive line with quads help us extract value?

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