Sitting at a typical $1/$2 game late at night on a Friday (5 am) on the Las Vegas strip.

We are about $700 effective against Villain. We are a older white guy probably perceived as competent and tight by villain.

Villain is late 20s white male from Europe. Believe he is Spanish.

Villain is loose aggressive and capable of making plays when he senses the time is right. He lost a big pot tie night before when he shipped the river into a fishy old man. V has KK and old man hit a gutter ball on the river to scoop a big pot.

On to the hand:

Preflop is pretty standard.

V opens to $10 from EP. We call on the button with 33 and end up going heads up. Being LAGGY his range is pretty wide here IMO.

Flop also seems pretty standard to me but I will leave it open to discussion for a while.

Flop:

10 d 3 d 3h.

He bets $20.


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call when bet to, bet when checked to and pop them on the river

Against a tighter guy i think a raise might be good some portion of the time in an attempt to get deep stacks in/trying to get flushdraw to spazz or whatever, but against described aggro monkey from Spain i think we just have to call and let him barrell off all the air hands/bluffs he have on this board.

Nothing to see here.. Just call


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Unless the board runs out T, T, I don't see how this could be anything except:

I mean, we are 350bb deep so maybe there's merit to raising at some point besides the river vs a sticky opponent but even then...

Call and pray for an akqj turn

This deep, pf is an auto-call.

I think the flop needs a better analysis than, "just call and bet." Let's think about what he could have now that he made a PSB on the flop.

Over cards: If he has them, he's going to fold to a raise on the flop. However, a call is going to be just as scary to him. He's probably not put anything more in the pot unless one of the hit on the turn (about a 12% chance) against a tight MAWG. If he has pure air here, he's done as well.

TP or OP: He'll probably call a raise, but check the turn. He may or may not call another bet. Since he stacked off with KK, my guess is he's more inclined call. He won't bet the turn if an over card comes. He'll probably bet the turn.

FD: He may decide to call thinking you wouldn't bet a FH (quads aren't even in his mind right now if you bet).

FH: Clearly the money shot. He's going to get everything in as fast as possible. Not likely though because LLSNL players like to slow play FH.

Personally, I don't get quads that often. You're deep stacked. If at best it goes B/B/B on the river, it will be $60 on the turn and at best $140 on the river for pot sizes. Compare to raising now (let's say to $60). The pot on the turn is now $140. Make a PSB again and the pot on the river jumps to $420 with the stack size of $480. Much harder for him to fold to a shove.

I'd raise here and go for the gusto. Odds are if he doesn't have much, you aren't making much anyway.

raisy daisy imo

idk if we should be raising a lag otf. They love when people help them out to play perfect against us and fold.

People assume we have a FD a lot when we raise here

Raising flop is a massive mistake against a V with a ton of hands. Allow him to stay wide and turn some equity and barrel

On the other hand, there's been a lot of posts over the years, where someone ran out of patience with a lag and is upset they couldn't make the lag fold to aggression. What makes this spot interesting is that most people aren't inclined to raise their hands that strongly hit the flop.

Hero image is everything here.

A raise anywhere, and v is going to punt.

For this reason, I might 3b pre with some frequency.

You have position. So call otf, and bet when checked to.

Agree w/ Venice. Our goal should be to get stacks in so we need to build now. I'd go ~$65.

That's the goal if we know Villain has a tight range for cbetting. If we believe he's got a much wider range, the goal should be to maximize against the largest portion of his range which makes calling better Imo.

We should be maximizing for getting the most money. That's not necessarily playing to the widest portion of his range. $700 * 10% > $100 * 60%

As Venice says, pot/pot/pot would be 20 OTF, 60 OTT, and 180 OTR for a total of 280 (including the 20 already in the pot). That leaves 410 behind.

The only way we're getting it is if V has something he's willing to lose a lot with. I'm much less concerned with winning a little somethin' somethin' when he's got a mediocre hand or junk and much more concerned with making sure we give the poor son of a ***** the opportunity to stack off when he has a big hand or gets suspicious and puts us on a bluff.

I think call flop, raise turn looks really strong. I think V's are more likely to call flop bets lighter and we can inflate the pot to make future bets more attractive.

With his bet and our call, pot will be 60. We want the final pot to be 1400 after three bets (raise, bet, bet).
x^3 = 1400/60 ==> x = 2.85, so we need to put (1.85/2) PSB three times to get all in. Call it 93% and round up to pot/pot/pot.

Raise flop to 80 (pot becomes 180)
Bet turn 180 (pot becomes 540)
Shove river for 440

I might even raise the flop to 100 to make follow-on bets a smaller fraction of the pot and more attractive.

While raising flop can look like 1)diamond draw, 2) catching a 3 for flopped trips (hero has some 3x in his calling range and V has almost none in his open range, or 3) a bluff if villain is thinking hero would raise a flop like this trying to put villain to the test-

I don't think I would raise more than 65. Given that hero describes himself as tight I think an $80-100 raise on the flop would make it too easy for villain to fold most of his range.

I originally wanted just a call but as others mentioned, playing this deep when its only a $40 pot OTT with so much behind, its best to take a shot to start to get stacks in.

Raise to 60.

Ok. Thanks for the responses.

I elected to just call the flop bet and let him keep betting his air. I wanted to let him have the lead as long as possible and I felt like if he bet/bet/bet then a river raise would allow us to put his stack at risk.

So I call the $20.

Pot: $60

Turn 6d completing the flush.

Villain bets $60.




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you gotta raise somewhere...raising around 250 and hope he has a flush. would rather raise more now to make his river call too pricey to fold

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He's made his 2nd PSB. Time raise hard. Pop it to $200 and get the stacks in. If he's going to get stacks in on the river after you call again, he would have done it on the turn, too.

Don't like raising flop and would raise turn now after he barrels. It's gonna be hard to get stacks in no matter the line without some sort of semi cooler and it'll look strong no matter what you do.

Raising to 180 on this specific turn actually isn't bad. Maybe a bit bigger so river jam isn't an overbet

Wait why are we 3b pre? We don't need any balance in this game.

We're 350bb deep so I'ma 3b pre more frequently in general. Especially when in position and it looks to be HU.

Flop would have been the place to raise though calling is fine.

As played flat turn