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07-31-2010, 11:10 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
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Originally Posted by derick
I like the above questions better than what I did.
Something lucky happens to me.
The PA announces a list of names for a new 5/10 table.
She calls out the the floor, "How could I be eleventh on the 5/10 list?"
The floorman replies with some obsequious gibberish.
I can't think of anything good to say. I should memorize some good lines, but I decide to try conversation.
My brain pumps out something idiotic.
I say, "How much do you have?"
This is totally retarded. I know exactly how much she has. She knows I know.
She lifts her arms showing her stack.
Then she smiles and she remarks, "... Maybe we should have gotten it all in preflop."
What do you do with this information?
What's your read now?
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Not sure there's a read to be had. If she knows you know her stack and you've asked, it looks pretty obvious you're uncomfortable with the situation in the hand. It probably makes her completely confident her hand is good there and then.
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07-31-2010, 08:14 PM
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#77
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Pan Troglodytes
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chairman of the Chimps
Posts: 32,573
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
The read is she wants you to think that she was a 1pr hand.
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08-01-2010, 06:43 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 614
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
The read is she wants you to think that she was a 1pr hand.
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So, Does she have air or 2 pair or a monster draw or ...
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08-01-2010, 07:31 AM
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Pan Troglodytes
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chairman of the Chimps
Posts: 32,573
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
Her range has you beat.
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08-02-2010, 08:47 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 614
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
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Originally Posted by derick
Live 2/5.
Villain is waiting for a spot in the bigger $5/10NL game.
I've seen villain playing 10/20NL and bigger. All the dealers and floor know the villain by name.
Villain is a good skilled LAG smart very aggressive player.
I've played briefly with the villain before.
I've been playing TAG. The table is loose passive. Lots of limping preflop and very bad postflop play. The villain has seen me take down a couple of $100 pots without a showdown. The villain has been pushing the table around has quickly (I assume outplayed the table to) put her initial $500 up to $730.
Red QQ in MP ($900),
1 limper.
I raise to $30, (this is the standard raise at this table)
Good player ($730) in BB calls, limper folds.
Flop Td 8c 3s
Checked to me.
I bet $30, Good player flat calls.
Turn Jd (Td 8c 3s),
Checked to me.
I bet $60.
Good player check raises $210 with $460 behind. (I cover).
What do you do?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by derick
I'm not saying the (standard) $50 flop bet/turn check line is bad. I considered it. But I chose to bet half pot to avoid defining my hand on purpose. BTW, I use the bet the flop check the turn line a lot.
I think she reads hands really well and I didn't want to give her more information. In return it makes reading her hand harder to play. But I expect her to make her hand hard to read anyways — That's what good players do ☺
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Quote:
Originally Posted by derick
I can't for the life of me put her on a range at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I tank and watch her...
Nothing.
At this point I don't know what to do.
The only pairs I'm beating are 99 (bobtail straight draw) and 77 (yeah right, Gutshot).
I tank... I have no idea what her range is.
Obviously her bet has huge leverage because of the money behind.
I tank some more, I have no idea about her range.
I decide that I'm doomed here and it can't hurt to engage her in conversation.
Would you start talking to her? Knowing there is a good chance she might be better at gaining information than you, or do you shut up?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by derick
I like the above questions better than what I did.
Something lucky happens to me.
The PA announces a list of names for a new 5/10 table.
She calls out the the floor, "How could I be eleventh on the 5/10 list?"
The floorman replies with some obsequious gibberish.
I can't think of anything good to say. I should memorize some good lines, but I decide to try conversation.
My brain pumps out something idiotic.
I say, "How much do you have?"
This is totally retarded. I know exactly how much she has. She knows I know.
She lifts her arms showing her stack.
Then she smiles and she remarks, "... Maybe we should have gotten it all in preflop."
What do you do with this information?
What's your read now?
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I place 4 black chips on 3 stacks of 20 red chips... , "All in"
After 2 seconds...
She says, "I know my hand is better than yours"
Pause of 5 seconds.
"Queens are no good"
How the heck did she read me for queens?
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08-02-2010, 09:08 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: beantown
Posts: 5,150
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by derick
I place 4 black chips on 3 stacks of 20 red chips... , "All in"
After 2 seconds...
She says, "I know my hand is better than yours"
Pause of 5 seconds.
"Queens are no good"
How the heck did she read me for queens?
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Damn I love that b*tch
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08-03-2010, 02:58 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Here, There and Everywhere
Posts: 269
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by derick
I place 4 black chips on 3 stacks of 20 red chips... , "All in"
After 2 seconds...
She says, "I know my hand is better than yours"
Pause of 5 seconds.
"Queens are no good"
How the heck did she read me for queens?
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You are being probed big time. At this stage I would neither be looking at her nor responding to her...just stare at a blank spot on the felt and breathe normally.
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08-03-2010, 05:59 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 452
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
Bet bigger on the flop & turn. You lose sooo much value by betting under half pot. Betting bigger for value will allow you to bluff bigger and more effectively.
Checking turn is terrible - if your turn bet doesn't get called by worse it means you're playing way too passive. You should be double barreling a ton on this turn. You'll have a ton of hands in your range w/10+ outs vs top pair and you should be betting them very often. Thus, you should also be betting aggressively with queens.
I'd be inclined to call her turn c/r. If she's as good as you say, she'll be c/r a fairly balanced range I'd rahter have queens than aces in this spot b/c queens have the advantage of of having 6 outs vs sets and 12 outs vs two pairs. Shoving is terrible. You'll rarely get called by worse or fold better. My plan is to river a Q or 9 and cry if she shoves a blank river.
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08-03-2010, 06:50 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Bluffing with a call
Posts: 1,081
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
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Originally Posted by cds0699
I'd bet $50 on the flop, and check back the turn, and prob call down some good safe rivers, personally.
When you check back the turn, this keeps her 1 pair hands and bluffs/air in the pot, and allows you to control the pot overall because you're in position. She might bet some of those hands on the river because you checked back the turn and you can call down if the river is a safe card in relation to the board texture.
Remember, 2 streets of value is good, and you should try to play good lags straight up and take away their opportunity to put you in a tough spot, which they'll often do because they're good.
As played, I'm folding here on the turn.... because she's jamming the rest of her stack on the river, and I wouldn't call a shove from her on the river, so thats why I just give it up on the turn.
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agree with every word
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08-03-2010, 07:34 AM
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Pan Troglodytes
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chairman of the Chimps
Posts: 32,573
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
If she is going to c/r bluff on some turns I kinda prefer betting the turn.
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08-03-2010, 08:02 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 371
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
Re: not betting the river to prevent a CRAI
(% you'll be called by a hand that you beat) * pot+riverbet + (% she'll fold) * pot - (% you'll be called by a hand that beats you) * riverbet - (% time you get CRAI and have to fold) * riverbet = EV of valuebetting river
Figure out what percentage of the time you think each will happen, and you'll know if it's better to check behind.
Going with $50 flop bet that's called, c/c turn, and a bet of 100 into 167 on the river.
5% of the time you bet, she'll call with a hand you beat. (+13.35)
5% of the time you bet, she'll call with a hand that beats you. (-5)
20% of the time she'll fold (+33.4)
70% of the time she'll CRAI (-70)
Given those percentages, EV of valuebetting $100 on the river is $-28.25
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08-03-2010, 08:04 AM
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Pan Troglodytes
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chairman of the Chimps
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
yeah and you dont want to be just picked up turn draw air and nuttish hands in your turn betting range - otherwise she will be able to c/r turn with impunity.
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08-03-2010, 08:11 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Toronto
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
Are you talking about the 48 yr old chubby short black haired woman?
If it is I forget her name, but she's horrible. I played her multiple times on 10/20 at Fallsview. Her range is so big and shes a station galore. I'd make it 50 pre flop and shove flop.
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08-03-2010, 08:32 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Niagara Falls @KneedUrDough
Posts: 3,031
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Quote:
Originally Posted by [x] cookiesniper
Are you talking about the 48 yr old chubby short black haired woman?
If it is I forget her name, but she's horrible. I played her multiple times on 10/20 at Fallsview. Her range is so big and shes a station galore. I'd make it 50 pre flop and shove flop.
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I think he's talking about a young Asian girl (20's maybe early 30's) who often wears a hat like Gilligan and giggles a lot.
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08-03-2010, 10:37 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 614
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Re: Shark in your small pond. Playing a skilled LAG who's waiting for a bigger game.
She's a blonde.
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