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The right fold with a full house? The right fold with a full house?

07-21-2017 , 03:53 PM
Agree, the super nit read is obviously way off if he doesn't continue postflop after his check/raise.

And also agree that we can't feel totally comfortable on our reads given that this is a new environment and we don't know villains.

And that we have to factor in spazz more than we should.

But, imo, all of this is trumped by the fact this guy just shipped $350 on the river. That trumps everything. If you play in a game where $350 is shipped on the river all the time in these spots and guys are showing up with AA or KQ or spazz or even straights, then whatever.

GIdon'tplayinthatgame,andthushighlyexploitivefolds can(andshould)bemadeG
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07-21-2017 , 04:09 PM
I think it's a reasonable fold. He just doesn't have straights given action and what bluffs are you hoping to see?

If you had QQ you could say maybe he has 99.
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07-21-2017 , 11:25 PM
Asking for feedback and then arguing with everyone who wants to call seems kind of pointless. Showing nit folds is bad, and of course OP is ready to argue about that as well.
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07-22-2017 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
I think it's a reasonable fold. He just doesn't have straights given action and what bluffs are you hoping to see?

If you had QQ you could say maybe he has 99.
Yep, imo this
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07-28-2017 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
To add to ^^^^ there is a very large problem I have with folding in this hand: its predicated on the read that OP gives of V2 being a "tight player". Being that V is a tight player, some have come to the conclusion that the river bet has to be the nuts (or at least better than the 4th nuts)

But OP also gives the description of V1 as a "super nit"

Someone please tell me a super nit who x/r OTF and then checks turn and check/folds river? What is his range? Super nits don't x/r unless they have the nuts. So if we can actually assume that the read of "super nit" is either incorrect or that "super nits" have a spazz range, then wouldn't the same assumptions apply to the tight player?
Super nits would raise AQ on the flop and shut down on the turn.
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07-28-2017 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Asking for feedback and then arguing with everyone who wants to call seems kind of pointless. Showing nit folds is bad, and of course OP is ready to argue about that as well.
I ask for feedback, I often agree with it and sometimes I don't. If I don't agree with it, I'm not going to just pretend like I do. If I push back and they make a good counterpoint then I can change my mind and learn something. If I push back, maybe they will change their mind and learn something.

I didn't insult anyone or belittle people's ideas. In fact, I think I said that while I think It was the right play I'm not a great player and I'm very open to the idea that I'm wrong. I don't think there is any evidence that I am posting in bad faith and being closed minded. I'm not going to think I'm wrong everytime I post my take on a hand...

I posted three hands today and changed my mind on two.

Seems kinda arrogant to say well if someone doesn't agree with me then they must be closed minded.

Last edited by Ihadtrips; 07-28-2017 at 04:16 AM.
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07-28-2017 , 04:45 AM
I dont hate the fold tbh, not sure why so much hate? Dont show tho, satisfying your ego isnt worth it man.
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07-28-2017 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ihadtrips
Super nits would raise AQ on the flop and shut down on the turn.


We'll agree to disagree.

IME a nit tend to only raise boards they have a solid chance of winning or they have premium overpair that they are protecting. They also wouldn't min x/r, they would be bombing away

Since description is of a "super nit", the chance of them raising with AQ here is pretty much null.

Or they aren't a super nit... considering your time at the table, it's practically impossible for you to see enough hands to know someone is a super nit.
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07-28-2017 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
We'll agree to disagree.

IME a nit tend to only raise boards they have a solid chance of winning or they have premium overpair that they are protecting. They also wouldn't min x/r, they would be bombing away

Since description is of a "super nit", the chance of them raising with AQ here is pretty much null.

Or they aren't a super nit... considering your time at the table, it's practically impossible for you to see enough hands to know someone is a super nit.
Yeah, that would be my read of a super nit too. "Board is pretty bone dry, no reason to raise AQ when it could be behind QQ+" would be the super nit's thinking.

GIknowcuzI'masupernitG
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