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06-29-2010, 01:40 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Re: Recommended Reading List
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Originally Posted by LiquidTensionEx
I just listened to both of the podcasts with Lymon, and I'm absolutely blown away. I think I will have to listen to both of the casts at least 10 times to get the most out of them. I cannot recommend those links highly enough to all live players.
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I just tried to listen to the podcast, but it says flash is required. Any way to listen to it on an iPhone?
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06-29-2010, 01:45 PM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: On the short bus to valuetown
Posts: 804
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Re: Recommended Reading List
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Originally Posted by FivesFull
I just tried to listen to the podcast, but it says flash is required. Any way to listen to it on an iPhone?
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You can download the podcasts for free through Itunes, just look for the Duecescracked podcasts.
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06-29-2010, 02:12 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 110
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Re: Recommended Reading List
Holy ****, there is a ton of poker stuff on iTunes. Now I just have to get somewhere with wifi so I can download the podcasts. Thanks steamy!
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06-29-2010, 02:16 PM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: On the short bus to valuetown
Posts: 804
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Re: Recommended Reading List
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Originally Posted by FivesFull
Holy ****, there is a ton of poker stuff on iTunes. Now I just have to get somewhere with wifi so I can download the podcasts. Thanks steamy!
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No probs, I very much enjoy the dueces cracked podcasts, makes me sort of want to get a subscription (though I don't play as much as I should/used to so I dunno if it would be worth it). The Limon ones are excellent, as is Bobby Hoff. Very applicable for live play (though the host generally only plays live 5-10 to 10-20 at commerce so he mostly talks live play).
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06-29-2010, 02:24 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Niagara Falls @KneedUrDough
Posts: 3,031
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Re: Recommended Reading List
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Originally Posted by limon
SOME MORE POKER ADVICE…
I love all of the posts that say disregard everthing I did before I got check raised all in on the river and just tell me what to do now. Its like, “hey Dad its me billy and im in jail. Don’t ask me why I got drunk (standard). Don’t ask me why I drove (yawn). Don’t ask me how my car ended up in a 7-11 (meh). Just tell me how to keep from getting buttfuqqed tonight.
The truth is the beginning of the hand is the MOST important part…BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. Just like w/ 9 ball every shot sets up the next shot(s).
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Classic limon... spelled wrong above (or correctly because it was supposed to be from the documentary 'My Brother's Keeper' lol)
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06-29-2010, 10:13 PM
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#36
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: las vegas
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Re: Recommended Reading List
Poker books are strange. Nobody can seem to get it all in one book. Prolly never will.
Harringtons book and Professional NL Holdem books are very good, and im sure took a lot of time putting together. But that said, they are both semi outdated. (they still should be read, but just use your own thought for these days instead of using them as a bible without question)
If you dont believe that, then purchase Andrew Seidmans EASY GAME off the internet and you will begin to understand how NL should be viewed from basic level to nosebleed levels.
EASY GAME and Cole Souths book LET THERE BE RANGE are the first two works which finally put into print what online players have been using to excel so quickly at NL. All other books in print dont come close IMO.
Most everything is solved in NL Holdem these days, with only villain range and tendencies being the variables left up to hero to accurately access.
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06-30-2010, 02:44 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere on the Strip
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Re: Recommended Reading List
I looked up paradox in the dictionary. It said "someone who plays low limit poker and requires an $1850 book to win."
Mama told me this game wasn't profitable!
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07-01-2010, 05:21 AM
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#38
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Re: Recommended Reading List
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Originally Posted by Cactus Jack
I looked up paradox in the dictionary. It said "someone who plays low limit poker and requires an $1850 book to win."
Mama told me this game wasn't profitable! 
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thats just it. The vast majority of 2/5 players in the room will be playing 2/5 still 3 years from now. Because the ones who are winners feel that they play well, dont realize how little they actually know about the game, and get comfortable in the fact that they are winners and just go on for years in this state of mind.
Now if an $1850 book (which is 800 i think now), would allow the player to expand his mind/game and rise to 5/10 and be consistent winner there, then the book pays for itself easily within a month, and hero goes on to win huge amounts of cash rather than miring up at 2/5 level for years.
Pretty much you get what you pay for. When you pay 29.95 for one of the usual poker books, thats about what you get IMO. Books unfortunately DO NOT teach a person to think independently well enough. That is why everyone has read some of these poker books several times, yet really dont play very well at the tables. There is a gap there somewhere, (lost in translation) otherwise the games would be MUCH tougher everywhere.
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07-01-2010, 08:19 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Niagara Falls @KneedUrDough
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Re: Recommended Reading List
The high priced 'E-Books' are great reads AFTER u read the standard stuff...
Let There be Range, Easy Game, The Poker Puzzle, etc are all fantastic.
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07-01-2010, 08:25 AM
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Re: Recommended Reading List
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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough
The high priced 'E-Books' are great reads AFTER u read the standard stuff...
Let There be Range, Easy Game, The Poker Puzzle, etc are all fantastic.
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this is true. Reading foundational (more basic) books first is a must. I just kinda hate that a person has to read a bunch of stuff which is basically wrong (and i mean 1 part wrong per 20 parts) along with lots of information given which really does not instruct how hero should think on his own, makes it tough.
But, you gotta start somewhere, just realizing that players understand that they will be adjusting what they are learning all the time.
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07-01-2010, 08:33 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Niagara Falls @KneedUrDough
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Re: Recommended Reading List
Ain't...
Have u read 'Bobbo's Bible?'
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07-01-2010, 12:53 PM
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#42
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Re: Recommended Reading List
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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough
Ain't...
Have u read 'Bobbo's Bible?'
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nah, that one i passed on, because i usually cant make it thru any of bobbos videos, lol. AND, i got lessons from him waaaaay back and was not impressed at all. (not to mention totally hated the way he presented himself and conducted himself as well).
He insisted on doing coaching only over AIM, where it was painfully obvious that he copy/pasted material to me live over AIM, but attempted to make it look like he was carrying on a conversation. Obviously he was multi tasking for HIS benefit, rather than speaking to me over skype at same time for MY benefit. So im not a fan of bobbo, nor the material that i received.
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07-05-2010, 01:12 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 25
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Re: Recommended Reading List
Here's another vote for HOC. While it may be a bit conservative, I've found that solid, conservative, position-based poker is what wins most of the time at 1/2 and 1/3. The "randomization" of pre-flop raises that he advocates doesn't really translate well to 1/2 & 1/3 (as few people respect raises in these games to begin with), but his emphasis on "small hand, small pot...big hand, big pot" is one of the keys to winning low limit NL poker.
Will HOC make you the perfect poker player? I doubt it. But will it make you better than 70% of the 1/2 players at the local casino on a Friday night? It will if you study it and understand it--and at least in my case, it has more than paid for itself.
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07-05-2010, 03:57 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Re: Recommended Reading List
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
this is true. Reading foundational (more basic) books first is a must. I just kinda hate that a person has to read a bunch of stuff which is basically wrong (and i mean 1 part wrong per 20 parts) along with lots of information given which really does not instruct how hero should think on his own, makes it tough.
But, you gotta start somewhere, just realizing that players understand that they will be adjusting what they are learning all the time.
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This is an interesting post.
What info do you find is wrong in HoCG or NLHTAP, or PNLv1?
I'd be interested in hearing what people think is wrong in those books?
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07-05-2010, 04:03 PM
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Re: Recommended Reading List
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Originally Posted by derick
This is an interesting post.
What info do you find is wrong in HoCG or NLHTAP, or PNLv1?
I'd be interested in hearing what people think is wrong in those books?
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right off the top of my head, Harrington says A. Never fold KK preflop and B. stuff like raise 80% and call 20% with certain hands to mix things up. 80/20 is useless when you can better serve yourself by raising or calling when the game condition warrants it, (gameflow etc / image) rather than some weird "go by your watch" method of randomizing. And folding KK, lol, sometimes the villains range is only AA, and in this case, we fold KK>
Its just outdated etc quite a bit. Even though overall a good work. Plenty of other stuff, i would have to dig the books out to state it all.
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