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Originally Posted by SABR42
Sigh, you just don't get it.
I wasn't only talking about Hero raising. You were arguing that you try to make 8BB opens feel standard for the entire table. I disagree, because you have to play nitter when it costs a lot more to see a flop. When the entire table is opening to 8BB, you can no longer play hands like 55 or 87s because it gets too expensive to see a flop. Hands like these are very profitable vs weak players because they typically play their hands face-up so you have good implied odds. But not when it costs 8-10% of your stack just to see a flop.
I disagree. It's dependent on the game. Last session I played I had two absolute maniacs at the table, both with deep stacks. Once, I did indeed call a 6BB bet in position after an up front raise, seven cold calls, with Maniac Major and Maniac Minor both in. I had pocket fives. The flop came down (T
, 8
, 5
). Maniac Major made it 15, and Maniac Minor called out of turn. I raised it 40 on top, both maniacs called, and there was one cold call from a pretty decent reg who was thinking along the same lines as I was: stack these whackos. The turn brought a 4
, and I figured Maniac Minor made the nut flush, and I was planning on folding after I checked it to him. He led out for 50 (
) after it was checked around. The reg with the OESD knew his draw was no longer any good, and he folded, as did Maniac Major. There was 300 in that pot, and Maniac Minor had what I estimated to be ~120 in front of him. (I didn't want to stare at his stack too much, as I might have clued him in) I called. The dealer obliged by turning an eight on the river. I checked it, and Maniac Minor announced "All in", and I said "I call". Maniac Minor announced "Queen high flush", and showed a Q
and some other little diamond, maybe a deuce or trey, I wasn't paying any attention, as I was setting aside my Kyuubimon figurine and flipping my hand while announcing "Full house". Yep, I had him covered, and he lost it all. I thought he was gonna cuss out the dealer and get himself permabanned, but all he did was glare, and say: "You hadda flip that eight", as he stormed off. Like it was the dealer's fault he laid me better than 7 : 1 to hit a ten-outter.
Before that, I called another 6BB raise with a whole bunch trailing behind with pocket threes. This time, the flop came down (K, T, 5 -- rainbow) no help. However, the flop was checked around, and I saw a free turn, which was a 3
. Maniac Major led off for 25, and I popped it fifty on top. He called, and so did Maniac Minor. The river brought some irrelevant rag, and Maniac Major checked it to me. I simply grabbed a stack of red birds that was taller than the one sitting in front of him. Maniac minor folded, and Maniac Major called while asking: "You got a set?" I said "Yep", while rolling over the pocket treys. I guess he wasn't expecting
that set. The Chatterbox sitting immediately to my right piped up, claiming to have checked a king, which made Maniac Major furious. It was pretty obvious what happened: he had a (K, 3) hit two pair on the turn, and thought it was good. Of course, if the Chatterbox had bet the flop, I would not have called. Maniac Major went off to reload. I clipped him for more of his chips before he decided he didn't want to play if I was in the hand. He still went broke.
One word you should never use when discussing poker is "never". If you have a reason to believe that calling cold with hands like (5,5) or middle suited connectors will be profitable, then that's what you do. If you don't, you're costing yourself $$$$