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03-23-2020 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
Strong disagree.
I’m gonna stick with the guy 3-6 tabling $500/$1000 vs the best players in the world.

Oh and that was when he was 19 & 20 fwiw.

I’m sure poker was a cakewalk in 2009 but no current 10/20 reg would qualify as one of the best players in the world back then.

Last edited by RoadtoPro; 03-23-2020 at 01:26 PM.
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03-23-2020 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
I watched his last video where he mentioned this. I was sad for him because I picked up on how exciting and challenging it was to come up with the right lines in different spots and I felt bad for him.

However, is it really that much simpler these days to just plug the board into PIO and memorize? I've seen videos of guys using PIO and it seems really hard to implement the a lot of those mixed strategies. Especially once you get to the edges of the game tree like on a dynamic river card after some raises.
i kind of took it that he also missed the comradery that went with doing the work with his friends. i could be way off on this, but i think it's just he's gotten older and him and his poker friends all now have lives outside of poker. he used to do this stuff with friends, now they aren't around as much and it's kind of boring. but ****, i could be so off the mark.
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03-23-2020 , 01:20 PM
RtP, thanks for the heads up about RIO. signed up to take a look. havent been on an online specific training site since DC a bunch of years back. wonder how much it's changed.
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03-23-2020 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
I’m gonna stick with the guy 3-6 tabling $500/$1000 vs the best players in the world.

I’m sure poker was a cakewalk in 2009 but no current 10/20 reg would qualify as one of the best players in the world back then.
At a certain point stakes is not at all a measure of skill.
Sorry to bubble burst, but I highly highly doubt that Blom or Dwan would even be top 100 NL players in 2020, at current age or their 21 year old selves.
They were both highly exploitative players, taking advantage of things 99% of players didn’t understand then.
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03-23-2020 , 01:27 PM
No problem Johnny! Way better than deuces cracked.
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03-23-2020 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro

Oh and that was when he was 19 & 20.
Age isn’t the point. Being 19 & 20 at the absolute ideal time for him is the point.
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03-23-2020 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
At a certain point stakes is not at all a measure of skill.
Sorry to bubble burst, but I highly highly doubt that Blom or Dwan would even be top 100 NL players in 2020, at current age or their 21 year old selves.
They were both highly exploitative players, taking advantage of things 99% of players didn’t understand then.
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
Age isn’t the point. Being 19 & 20 at the absolute ideal time for him is the point.
Xtra, with all due respect (I mean that) that is ridiculous. Yes, stakes isn’t always the best measure of skill. But if it was so easy all the high stakes live crushers around the world back in 2009-2010 would have been the ones dominating the online scene making millions upon millions.

Not some teenager/early 20’s kid from Europe. Even players like Phil Ivey/Daniel Negreanu who are considered to be among the best today and are still around lost to Isildur. And that was in their prime.

Also, while I strongly, strongly disagree with what you’re saying about Blom and Dwan not being a top 100 player in 2020, neither is any 10/20 reg (in 2020)- which is what I referred to.
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03-23-2020 , 01:36 PM
I’ll just say that I think you severely underestimate how far the game has come in a decade.
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03-23-2020 , 01:41 PM
Brag: My article on Purdue and Pearl Harbor was just published in Air Power History journal. You can find it on pages 27-44 (of the magazine, 29-36 of the pdf) here, if you're interested.
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03-23-2020 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
I’ll just say that I think you severely underestimate how far the game has come in a decade.
You’re skipping over the point, Xtra.

What does that have to do with the fact that there isn’t a single 10/20 crusher (as their main game) in 2020 on the planet that would be the best player in the world back in 2009?

You’re basically saying the best NLHE players on the internet aren’t anywhere close to the best players in the world. So we’ll disagree there. Whatever.
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03-23-2020 , 01:45 PM
JFC just saw Madonna on Instagram in her bathtub and all I could think was “who the **** is THAT?” What happened to her face?


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03-23-2020 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Brag: My article on Purdue and Pearl Harbor was just published in Air Power History journal. You can find it on pages 27-44 (of the magazine, 29-36 of the pdf) here, if you're interested.
congrats!
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03-23-2020 , 01:51 PM
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JFC just saw Madonna on Instagram in her bathtub and all I could think was “who the **** is THAT?” What happened to her face?


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lots of surgeries.
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03-23-2020 , 01:51 PM
RTP, you should probably concede here to the person old enough (I think)to have actually played in games in both 2009 and 2020.

That being said, I'm taking any winning 200z reg in 2020 over any player in the world in 2009 and I doubt it's particularly close.
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03-23-2020 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wj294
RTP, you should probably concede here to the person old enough (I think)to have actually played in games in both 2009 and 2020.

That being said, I'm taking any winning 200z reg in 2020 over any player in the world in 2009 and I doubt it's particularly close.
Lol okay. You believe that man
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03-23-2020 , 02:05 PM
wj294, you’re telling me that you believe that there isn’t a single poker player in 2009 that would be a winning 200z reg in 2020?

That may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

You’re just proving my point about particular oldies thinking their experience automatically has to make them smarter/more knowledgeable/better etc. etc. than every 20 year old.

And I’m not even referencing a dummy like myself. At least don’t disrespect Dwan/Isildur1 etc.
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03-23-2020 , 02:11 PM
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If I had to pick one I would probably get the one in the bottom left corner w/ the longhorn on it. Or the one above it.

Do they attach to most any belt? Or do you have to get a special kind?

I think people would be quite confused seeing me wearing around the stars and bars lol.
Most belts, dress belts etc... have rivets that permanently attach the buckle to the belt. Western belts use snaps instead of rivets so that belt buckles become interchangeable. So in that sense you need a special kind of belt.


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What makes someone a cowboy? The red handkerchief around their neck? How do you spot a fake one?
A real cowboy doesn't give a **** what he looks like. Most likely wearing faded wrangler jeans, long sleeve shirt, tore up boots and a cowboy hat with years if sweat stains showing. Much like other professions, it is a uniform that protects them when they are on the job. Mostly for protection from the sun and that calf you are trying to wrangle which will occasionally get the best of you and stomp you down.

I wouldn't consider myself a real cowboy. I, like many other professions where your work day is mostly outside, simply wear one for protection from the sun. I still work cattle when I'm down south, but that consists of driving a truck into the pen you want the cattle in and honking the horn. They will come running in because you have done this hundreds of times before because you always feed them cattle cake (cubes).

Close the gate behind them and then 2 to 3 people can cut out the calves that need attention and run them into a squeeze chute. At that point they are immobilized and you can vaccinate, brand or cut their balls off without the risk of hurting yourself.

As a kid we did the whole ride a horse, rope the calf, throw it on the ground, tie up the legs and then do the above, but it was just for fun to see if we could do it. When it was really "nut cuttin' time" we used the squeeze chute.

A fake cowboy likely has a perfectly shaped new hat, starched shirt, starched jeans with bling on the back pockets and some exotic skinned boots without a scratch on them that likely costs over a thousand bucks. A sure fire way to tell for sure is to walk up to them and ask how many head of cattle they are running. Guessing 90% would say zero or lie.

Like with anything else, you get better at it with experience.


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Oh from your post it seemed like you might know. Anyways what's a roper?
As DC pointed out, they are a type of boot. They are called ropers because they have a very short heel that are designed to easily come out if a stirrup so that when you rope a calf from a horse you don't get hung up trying to get off of your horse to go tie it down.

Boots with tall heels are typically called riding boots as they are designed to keep your boot securely in the stirrup for activities that don't require a quick dismount.


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CG, nice TR, was surprised to see the hands free sinks and hand sanitzer stations - were those brought in due to covid or are they standard?

those smokers, wow... i think that's the reason why that culture doesn't branch off up north, it requires such dedication and expertise that you really need a community force driving it - otherwise you get guys like me just buying george foreman grills and figuring that'll do

rest of the pics were exactly how i'd imagine texas

can you explain the belt buckle can't be bought but needs to be earned, i had no idea about that sort of stuff
In the last few years that I can recall, they have had them at all of the port-a-potty stations. I would say that there were more hand san stations randomly placed throughout. The one I took a pic of was about 40 feet from our camp site.

I would recommend that if you ever get a chance to go to a large BBQ cook off in the south you should stop in. Can kill a day just walking around and checking out all of the different designs. And most always have something cooking that they are happy to share.

Was speaking mainly to the huge buckles that actually look rather ridiculous. Typically those are given out as trophies at rodeo events, so in essence, it is a wearable trophy. Guess it would be like you getting a replica superbowl ring made and wearing it around. The smaller one's with cool engraved animals and such are fine to buy and wear.


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03-23-2020 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
wj294, you’re telling me that you believe that there isn’t a single poker player in 2009 that would be a winning 200z reg in 2020?

That may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

You’re just proving my point about particular oldies thinking their experience automatically has to make them smarter/more knowledgeable/better etc. etc. than every 20 year old.

And I’m not even referencing a dummy like myself. At least don’t disrespect Dwan/Isildur1 etc.
No, I'm saying that any 200z reg with their current knowledge would beat the best player in 2009 with their level of knowledge, at that time, not the level of knowledge they have now.

Edit: this isn't at all a controversial take and fwiw I'm not much older than you are.
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03-23-2020 , 02:19 PM
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No, I'm saying that any 200z reg with their current knowledge would beat the best player in 2009 with their level of knowledge, at that time, not the level of knowledge they have now.

Edit: this isn't at all a controversial take and fwiw I'm not much older than you are.
Yes, I got that. You’re saying the best poker player in the world in 2009 with the resources and skillset they had back then have couldn’t beat 200z today.

If you don’t believe that to be a controversial take, I’m not going to engage further.

Fwiw I grind 200nl zone as my main game (when I play online) and I’ve been playing poker for less than a year and a half.

2009 railheaven Ivey would shred me to pieces. I absolutely suck at poker and don’t think it’s super hard, just aggro af.

I don’t understand how that doesn’t sound crazy to you.
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03-23-2020 , 02:26 PM
My argument is not that they would or would not beat 200z. My argument is that the 200z reg in 2020 is better than any player was in 2009.

You're a chess prodigy with the work ethic to match. You're destined for the top, poker shouldn't be hard for you.

Edit: I mean 200z stars not ignition.
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03-23-2020 , 02:43 PM
I don’t know if you’re making fun of me, because of things I’ve said in the past, or being genuine.

I’ve never played on stars, assume it’s much harder but doesn’t really change my opinion.
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03-23-2020 , 02:53 PM
Lmao yeah chess line was a troll, quite sad not to see you chomp tbh.

Stars zoom pools are generally considered to be the most difficult to beat games at whatever stake it may be (eg 200nl) online but I don't know the extent to which 200z stars/ignition differ.

Fwiw my friends who play up to 1knl on US sites/200z on stars (separate people) think it's as low as 100z or 50z regs that may be superior. I think you're under estimating both the difference in technical knowledge players have nowadays in comparison and the softness of games then.
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03-23-2020 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
You’re skipping over the point, Xtra.

What does that have to do with the fact that there isn’t a single 10/20 crusher (as their main game) in 2020 on the planet that would be the best player in the world back in 2009?

You’re basically saying the best NLHE players on the internet aren’t anywhere close to the best players in the world. So we’ll disagree there. Whatever.
I barely even know what the argument or point is as it’s all so vague and hardly worth discussing or getting worked up about.

As wj294 said, I’m 100% positive I have more perspective on this as I played then and now. If you want proof of what I’m talking about just go on YouTube and watch any nosebleed stakes live game such as HSP, which had your man crush play on them. You will see extremely fishy plays on the regular.

I also see modern games that have your man crush Dwan playing on them and I’m 100% certain that he is the biggest or second biggest spot on the table.

As Rickroll said, you could basically suck at poker, not study, not try to improve and hang at reasonable stakes a decade ago. I know because I did exactly the same thing. I am three to four times the player I was then as I am now and I seriously question what stakes I’ll be beating online when I start up again soon. It’s just reality. There’s way fewer people punting stacks.

Your idols grew up at the best time to make millions, you’re likely growing up at the worst time. I’m not even trying to be an ***hole to you. I’m just stating reality. I’m going to continue on with my day and disengage in this discussion because I don’t expect it to alter your POV whatsoever. I hope you do well, and that’s not sarcasm.
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03-23-2020 , 03:22 PM
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Lmao yeah chess line was a troll, quite sad not to see you chomp tbh.

Stars zoom pools are generally considered to be the most difficult to beat games at whatever stake it may be (eg 200nl) online but I don't know the extent to which 200z stars/ignition differ.

Fwiw my friends who play up to 1knl on US sites/200z on stars (separate people) think it's as low as 100z or 50z regs that may be superior. I think you're under estimating both the difference in technical knowledge players have nowadays in comparison and the softness of games then.
Garick, do you see what I go thru?

wj, as I was trying to explain to Xtra my over and underestimation’s don’t apply when you are making ridiculous claims.

There are not thousands of people in 2020 that would have been the best poker player in the world, back in 2009, with their current skillset.

You’re also largely ignoring the fact that 200z regs, on any site, are competing with loads of fish, in some capacity. I’m sure the fish are significantly better nowadays but it’s not like they’re strictly competing vs world class players. So simply being a winning reg isn’t nearly the same as being an above average winning reg, as with any stake level.

Honestly, even someone who isn’t on the same tier like 2009/2010 Patrick Antonious or Jungleman would crush marginally winning 200z regs I’m positive.
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03-23-2020 , 03:27 PM
I factually know a player who played and made a living at nosebleeds online in the glory days, who says break even on modern day 500z is an incredibly impressive feat.
Dude, you probably don’t even know what dunkeroos are.
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