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04-15-2014 , 07:42 PM
Hi guys I played an interesting hand at a 1/2 NL live table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Villain UTG limps, MP1 and MP2 limp, Hero opens for $15 on the BTN holding QTo. The SB and BB fold UTG calls MP1 and MP2 both fold.

Hero: $200 starting stack
Villain: $140 starting stack

The flop comes: Q J 3 rainbow $37 in pot

Villain checks. Hero bets $20. Villain calls.

The turn brings a K $77 in pot

Villain checks. Hero bets $50 Villain shoves for $105.

This table was very tight and limp heavy so QTo was good enough for a raise on the BTN given the table dynamic. I have won a couple of pots pre-flop prior to this one by opening in position for $15 after 3-4 limpers so I am viewed as a tight player. Villain is the only loose player relative to this table and has called a $100 shove against a tight player holding KQo and another time he called a big raise with KQ again OOP so he def overvalues big paint cards. Now my concern here is given that my odds of hitting the nut straight are about 5 to 1 and the pot is only laying me 4.2 to 1 after villain shoves could you possibly make the call here being so close to the break even point or would you just fold since you are technically not getting the right price to call?
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04-15-2014 , 08:00 PM
The real question is how often does he shove hands like KJ/Qx/Kx here? Probably not often enough to make this a call. Especially since he could already have T9/AT then you are drawing to a chop. I probably just chuck it here unless he seems tilted enough to spazz shove his whole range.
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04-15-2014 , 09:14 PM
check turn

stop betting your marginal hands on the turn
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04-15-2014 , 10:21 PM
As played we have to call it off. Not exact on the math but I think we still are ~ 35% against an average range. I'm checking the turn though. The king is a pretty bad card for us.
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04-15-2014 , 10:31 PM
Yeah, check back turn. Think about what hands your getting value from. Really just AJ and JT. With the K coming off on the turn, its hard for him to call a turn bet with these hands.
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04-15-2014 , 10:46 PM
not sure I approve of preflop

when I'm on my A game and not simply auto-pilot raising the btn, i may elect to just limp this one behind

- utg is shortstacked

- op indicated he's sticky pre

i would like evidence that there is some % of the time i could TID to raise QTo there... it's just a terrible hand to essentially juice the pot with, particularly if utg is at all selective from EP
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04-15-2014 , 11:13 PM
without even ranging the villain i think you can fold. villain shoves for 55 more which has to atleast indicate that heb has better than 2nd pairm unless he is so bad and thinks he can make you fold better,the fact he limp called he could have KQo or 33s those are the the only real hands i think he can have here or a bluff, you only really have a bluff catcher with the line v took im folding also pre id fold unless i really wanted to play the hand than i might limp in

Last edited by Raeed561; 04-15-2014 at 11:20 PM. Reason: didnt see that v limoed in
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04-15-2014 , 11:56 PM
agreed on checking back turn, but as played this is a snap call....at this point you are priced in and if you lose its not alot and you will learn a lesson about overplaying marginal hands
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04-16-2014 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SuqAta8
check turn

stop betting your marginal hands on the turn
Checking back the turn after picking up OESD equity?
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04-16-2014 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Koss
The real question is how often does he shove hands like KJ/Qx/Kx here? Probably not often enough to make this a call. Especially since he could already have T9/AT then you are drawing to a chop. I probably just chuck it here unless he seems tilted enough to spazz shove his whole range.
It seems like the general consensus here is to check back the turn. Why check the turn when I picked up more equity and my hand has showdown value. Why not apply more pressure on villain in this spot?
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04-16-2014 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by GoGrind
It seems like the general consensus here is to check back the turn. Why check the turn when I picked up more equity and my hand has showdown value. Why not apply more pressure on villain in this spot?
Are you betting for value or are you bluffing? If you can't do either, you should check

In this spot, there are only a small amount of worse hands that will call and a lot of better hands - so you're not making a value bet

Almost no better hand is folding so you're not bluffing.

Checking back allows you to potentially make a straight and value bet the river. Or get to showdown cheaply with your showdown value
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04-16-2014 , 11:36 AM
its $55 more to call after you bet $50, call all day long.

When the king comes I'm checking back here all day long, KJ, AT, T9 and KQ all got there and never folding. You even lose to AQ, really there is no reason to bet turn as you can safely bet river (if it checks through) and get called by Q8 or Q9 or AJ.
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04-16-2014 , 11:43 AM
Because ur only hope is if hes straight up bluffing. You are in a spot where you are not going to get called w anything you are going to beat. Ur Q is no good, & u need the straight, and even then u might still be chopping.
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