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Preflop squeeze sizing with AK 7 ways. Preflop squeeze sizing with AK 7 ways.

08-20-2017 , 04:45 AM
Also curious what your sizing would be if we were on the button instead of SB.

UTG who is a bad rec player opening really wide opens for 10. He usually raises to 15 with his value hands. 5 players call. Doesn't seem like a lineup where people would flat super premiums. One of the guys who might do it is only $100 deep, never seen him do it though.

Hero has AKs in the sb and a stack of $650 or so. All of the callers except for one are super weak players who I don't mind playing post flop with, even OOP.

Hero's image if they are paying attention is fairly tight by drunk player 1/2 standards.

BB seeems like a semi competent reg who might be willing to squeeze light here.

I opted to go for a larger sizing and made it 100 which I'm having second thoughts about. It does maximize fold equity vs hands like 77-JJ that are slightly ahead of me and I don't want to see call or get it in. The downside is it's kind of a game theory disaster in that the sizing folds out worse hands and only gets called by better unless someone loses their mind with AK.

Last edited by Badreg2017; 08-20-2017 at 04:51 AM.
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08-20-2017 , 05:39 AM
You're fine .., man.., with AKs don't you worry about anything. If you don't want to see calls shove and win instantly $50 with Ace high. If you wand to see all 5 cards make it $380 and call any shove. The only hands you could be a little worry are 6 total combos of AA/KK like 6 hands out of 1326. Bring it on Baby! - The entire herd will fold because we can for sure eliminate AA/KK/QQ. No 3! coming to you. So, they don't have it.

Without suitedness, most hands are not worth playing. A-K and A-Q are exceptions. But once you get down even to A-J and K-Q offsuit, the big cards alone are often not strong enough to justify a play.

Last edited by outdonked; 08-20-2017 at 05:55 AM.
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08-20-2017 , 06:47 AM
If BTN had opened to $10 here, you'd probably go $35-45 in this spot.

So if you add the 5 calls to the above range, your 3bet should ideally be $85-95 in this spot.
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08-20-2017 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
If BTN had opened to $10 here, you'd probably go $35-45 in this spot.

So if you add the 5 calls to the above range, your 3bet should ideally be $85-95 in this spot.
I meant if I were on the button ethnic AK after 5 calls. I would assume I should use a smaller sizing since I'll have position and don't need to take it down pre.
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08-20-2017 , 07:43 AM
in my game 40 works just as well as 100 on a 10 dollar open. You'll get 0 or 1 caller in my game
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08-20-2017 , 07:54 AM
on the BTN I would make it $55/$60

on the SB I would make it $70/$75
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08-20-2017 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by outdonked
You're fine .., man.., with AKs don't you worry about anything. If you don't want to see calls shove and win instantly $50 with Ace high. If you wand to see all 5 cards make it $380 and call any shove. The only hands you could be a little worry are 6 total combos of AA/KK like 6 hands out of 1326. Bring it on Baby! - The entire herd will fold because we can for sure eliminate AA/KK/QQ. No 3! coming to you. So, they don't have it.

Without suitedness, most hands are not worth playing. A-K and A-Q are exceptions. But once you get down even to A-J and K-Q offsuit, the big cards alone are often not strong enough to justify a play.
Cant agree with you enough on the suitedness* AJo just gets you in too much trouble.
As for the hand it really depends on if they are calling stations as if you make it too small (say 50-60) the OR might call then you get this massive train of callers, so with sizing i wpild kind of lean towarss the bigger size (say 80-100) then play it out from there if some short stack shoves then at worst it going to be a flip at best you have them dominated and with all the dead money iut there is pretty easy call

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08-20-2017 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
Also curious what your sizing would be if we were on the button instead of SB.

UTG who is a bad rec player opening really wide opens for 10. He usually raises to 15 with his value hands. 5 players call. Doesn't seem like a lineup where people would flat super premiums. One of the guys who might do it is only $100 deep, never seen him do it though.

Hero has AKs in the sb and a stack of $650 or so. All of the callers except for one are super weak players who I don't mind playing post flop with, even OOP.

Hero's image if they are paying attention is fairly tight by drunk player 1/2 standards.

BB seeems like a semi competent reg who might be willing to squeeze light here.

I opted to go for a larger sizing and made it 100 which I'm having second thoughts about. It does maximize fold equity vs hands like 77-JJ that are slightly ahead of me and I don't want to see call or get it in. The downside is it's kind of a game theory disaster in that the sizing folds out worse hands and only gets called by better unless someone loses their mind with AK.
When there's that much dead money, protecting your equity becomes more valuable. There can be points in nlhe, especially preflop, where it's good if you fold out 100% of worse hands and are called by 100% of better.

Obviously this isn't quite at that point but it's also not bad if you make KJo fold in position or something. And it's good if you make 98s fold.

My sizing would depend on effective stacks (I care most about UTG, perhaps the first caller if he is known to be tight and trappy), $100 is large but it's not unreasonable and might be best depending on the situation.

If you face a weird flat/jam and you raised $100 here though you probably shouldn't fold unless it's for your entire $650. Then maybe. Otherwise, even if you expect to be behind almost always you'll still have odds to call. Which is why depending on effective stacks I might go smaller. (but with this action and AKs I'm probably happy to get piles in preflop)
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08-20-2017 , 05:28 PM
When in doubt, size up. It's a much worse mistake to size too small.
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08-20-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by winadil
Cant agree with you enough on the suitedness* AJo just gets you in too much trouble.
As for the hand it really depends on if they are calling stations ..........
Playing at loose table where 4+ people come to the flop

As you move up in ranks in poker the games, people will play differently, they're gonna play more conservative pre-flop and it’s gonna be less players to the flop. So, what this means is when you play post flop your continuation bets and your aggression in general will give you better chance to win the pot. So, the less player are in the hand and the better those players are and the more respect they give the money and the stakes, the more the aggression is a good strategy, the more your continuation bets will work and the more you can power drive your way to the bank, so to speak, .. haha!

But things change there when you move down and play small stakes like 1/2, 1/3 and some 2/5 games where there’s a lot of players in the pot pre-flop and there’s 3-4-5 players to a flop and generally post-flop they don’t fold as much because they are in there with trash hands, they’re calling with gut-shot straights, they’re not really playing the odds they are just there to gamble. So, when that happens unfortunately, that gives you less options in terms what you can do to execute your plays properly. So what this means in general, you got to be much tighter. You want to play more solid hands preflop and hands like medium suited connectors go down in value. The reason is that you going to showdown on the river so much often. So, when you have a hand like 78s is harder to win the pot on the river because you will be dominated even by a hand that’s not as good like JTo but plays better in terms of showdown value on the river unimproved. So, the problem when you can’t get people to fold, you can’t bluff people, you can’t outplay them and you are just forced to show them down a strong hand, you got to play what’s call a linear range. It means you got to play hands in the top 10-12% of the deck.

So, the way to adjust is this:
You want to play much stronger hands preflop and hands that going to win at showdown and basically you want to play a ABC game of poker. You want to c-bet less often, and you want applying pressure post-flop in spots when your hand is much stronger then the range of hands that your opponents could have. So, if you’re betting into 3-4 people you gonna be at a disadvantage, you can’t really do that with a gut-shot or two overs just because you raised preflop. So, that logic sort goes out the window when your opponents aren't folding.

So, you definitely want to play stronger hands, you want to 3bet your hands when your hand is much more likely better than the other players, you want to raise bigger preflop and you generally want to build the pot a lot when you have really strong hands. I would be very selective and very very aggressive. Much more selective then you are in a normal cash game and much more aggressive normally you are. Maybe you play for 10% of hands but when you play them maybe you come for 5bb or 7bb or even 10bb if there are limpers and post-flop maybe you don’t c-bet that often but when you do you bet close to the size of the pot. Just because your c-bet frequency it’s going to be so much less it’s gonna be more obvious to your opponent that you have a strong hand, your opponents gonna fold. If it’s gonna be 2-3 players on the flop you really want to charge them alot, I mean, alot, .... make some abnormal flop bets and make them make big and expensive mistakes against you for chasing.

Last edited by outdonked; 08-20-2017 at 06:26 PM.
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