A key variable here is hours played, though. If you're playing 4-6 tables Online, then you would see 200 hands in 1 hour, whereas Live, you're seeing 200 hands in 7 hours. This fact shouldn't influence your VPIP Live, but I suspect the reality is a little different for many players.

Well, 4-6 tables online should give you 200 hands in more like 30min or less

That said, the amount of hands definitely influences style of play. The old saying that people don't come to the casino to fold is definitely true. It's is also why people call flops so wide, and chase draws regardless. If there is a chance they can win the hand, they are very reluctant to fold. They didn't come to the casino to lose pots either.

Miami Cheats:

I think you playing 35 hands in 3 1/2 hours is too much....

It seems that you weren't letting good hands come to you and then punishing the fish while in position.

I would figure that if you knew you had 35 hands to make money, you'd want to enter pots with stronger holdings, here are my thoughts....

I would question all of this action....

1. Jt off raise to 12 bn. Win 7
(Is it really worth raising a weak hand like this right off bat/with no image established?)
2. At o hj r 12 3 barrels with air win 52
(Triple barreling? What were circumstances/how did you pull this off?)
3. R bn a8 off 12 call flop 15 with oesd fold turn flush complete -27
(did you call a raise with A/8 off or raise w it yourself?)
4. R co 89 cf 3 overs -12
(again are you raising 89o or calling $12? i think either is bad.)
6. Call straddle. 7 min raise flop with tp on drawy board, bet turn call river lose to AA limped...-102
(what hand did you have when you called the $7 straddle?)
8.r man straddle hu to 22 fold flop ace hi, had qt. -22
(what position were you on this raise? could be debatable...)
9. R 68s ep, hu cbet axx win 12
(why are you raising 68s EP?)
12.r hj a4o Cbet flop axx, win +16
(why are you raising a4o? what was raise sizing btw?)
16. R 12 co 79s fold to 3b -12
(again, raising a hand like 79s?)
17. L a8 bet dry board. Win 15
(was this offsuit? what position? perhaps game is 6 handed so that might explain some of these limps/raises you're doing?)
25. R 12 pre a8 cf -12
(was this offsuit? what position? perhaps game is 6 handed so that might explain some of these limps/raises you're doing?)
26. -15 call r with qt.
(was this heads up? multiway? trying to understand the call?)

28. R bn q8 win +7
30.r co 79 fold flop -12
34. R 109 mp fold turn -27
35. Forced straddle r to 27 a6o, cf mw, -27
(All of the above, just seem like really weak holding to be raising, especially when it looks like your chip stack has been eaten away this whole session?? Perhaps you can explain what was going on when you get a chance. IF YOU DIDN'T PLAY ALL THE HANDS I LISTED ABOVE YOU'D HAVE WON AROUND $140.00 MORE FOR THE SESSION.)

Thanks for contributing to the thread, hope to see more posts from you....

I am going to chart another 35 of my hands. Compared to how you played I feel that I played like a damn NIT... lol...I don't have the confidence to open with a lot of the stuff you do. To each their own though, that's why I created this thread so I can see what others are playing and listen to them explain why... then I possibly learn something.

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can people stop using "dead money" to describe money that is not dead please? It seems like it's being used as a justification for questionable plays oop. "I raise to take the dead money because I assume they will play weak tight...at some point...I hope. "

It is not dead money if they have not already folded.

you can call it whatever you like (dead money or a better name), but this does exist, there are plenty of players who like to limp and see cheap flops, then fold to a raise ( i know which types of players these are), when the l/c i have a good idea of their range and which boards are good to continue on and which to give up.

ip, there is nothing wrong with building pots and cbetting based on texture/villain range(s), i limped my bn in some of the hands i listed when i didnt think raising was the best deicison but felt i can win with position often enough to justify not folding

I think it's dead money if they r likely to fold....so if u r risking 25 to win 10, and they fold more 3 every 4 times, u can consider this dead money

ok...call it dead money if you want to call it dead money. You're wrong but whatever.

I do understand that there are players that limp/fold. There are players that l/c and fold to cbets etc. However, when you use their "dead money" as a justification for raising preflop from EP with marginal to bad hands, then it's a pretty shaky argument for a few reasons:

a) you simply don't have that much control. You don't control who is going to call you post flop. So, you can't announce only weak tighties can call my raise please.
b) once you get one caller, you rarely stop at one caller at 1/2nl live games. So, you have much more complicated dynamics to deal with then simply creating "dead money" preflop to take it away post flop.
c) people tend to change their mind about how the player plays to justify their next play. For instance, you raise preflop to take down weak limp folding players money. But, then when they call, you still proceed to play versus them like they have their initial wide open limping range, rather than there tighter raising calling range. Or, you realized they play fit or fold, so you raise pre, bet flop, they don't fold...and you barrel turn anyway. Just creating "dead money" on each street, to take it away later.

I'm not saying that raising to isolate, or raising light in EP under the right dynamics is bad. I'm saying that if you go around assuming when they don't fold it's "dead money" to be picked up later, you might be more likely to be putting "dead money" in your self.

in addition, you are IP when the do call and will win some of the time with a cbet

Watch...

I bet as more and more people contribute to this thread we will find that opening our range so wide to include suited 1 gappers, 2 gappers, and unsuited connectors/etc... to pick up this supposed "DEAD MONEY".. is negative EV if we add up all the totals from every hand like that.

I'd be interested to see 10 people post 35 hands they played, then at the end of that search through all the HH and pluck out every suited 1gapper, 2 gapper or an unsuited connector raise/or called raise hand.... and after we have that data add up the money won or lost total...

As winning players we may leave the casino and never think back about these hands where we "pick up dead money" because we left winners... but if we take a closer look... it may be a leak.

I think this thread should be stickied-would be great to leave this up for awhile and gather info.

I'm going to do another 35 hand session Tuesday or Wednesday, then post results.

I may just start going to the casino with a plan to play 35-50 hands, then leave when I am done unless there is a huge mark at the table.

I was so focused/excited to get to the next hand while I was doing this and every pot I entered I would think "ok, I only have 35 hands today, so I can't make any mistakes." Obviously, I still did... (the 5/3s hand was a disaster)...but within the confines of each hand I felt that I was more focused.

In response-Im not sure if I followed your criteria, ie do A Rag unsuited hands count? or unsuited 1-2 gap broadways? or just hands like 57s, 96s, etc?

9. R 68s ep, hu cbet axx +12
13.j7s cf sb. -10
16. R 12 co 79s fold to 3b -12
21. Forced 7, q7 bn one bet +20
26. -15 call r with qt.
28. R bn q8 win +7
30.r co 79 fold flop -12

Overall -$10 over 7 hands, which is a very small sample but I see your point. I think we would have to keep track over a much greater sample to get a better idea

I would count A/rag unsuited or j/10 unsuited.
I would count 9/6s, 9/7s, 10/9o, 5/3s etc....
I wouldn't count a hand like q/10o or k10o or 9/10s

After 10 people contributed and we had 350 hands to analyze, we could start getting some good data pulled...

10 people would be a start but I used to play 200-300 hands an hour. I think we would have to analyze our ourselves over a lot of sessions to start really developing strong correlations