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playertee · 07-18-2012, 01:41 PM

Bump!! This is a great thread that shouldn't just die imo.

1/3 home game, table was perfect!! My image is so nitty yet I always get called.

I only played 7 hands this session...in the middle of a massive runbad "i think" downswing...so i'm trying to slow things down a little.

1. (150ish$ stack) Limp otb with 4 limpers with A7s, flop flush, b/b/shove get max value from old man +150$

2. (300ish$ stack) limp/call 12$ pre with 33 EP vs a whale, who raises random hands @ random positions, calls with backdoors etc... flop 983r, he bets, i raise and he tank/folds :S (+90$)

3. (375ish$ stack) A8o in the bb, limped around, I check...flop AKJdd, I bet it all the way, turn, river bricks, same old guy from hand 1 calls down with Kx...(+115$)

4. (460ish$ stack), KcJs in MP, UTG is a gambler, not a terrible player, but he loves to do random stuff, 72o 3 barells kinda plays...I call 11$ raise, flop J54cc, he bets 22$, I call, 3folds, turn 3c, he bets 22$ again, which is usually weak...I raise to 65$ with TP and 2nd nfd, he tank calls, river chk chk, he has a straight (-100$)

5. (350ish$ stack), 2 limpers, I raise the BTN with K8cc, flop T94hh, checks through (not a good board to cbet imp), turn Kd, unknown bets 16$, I make it 45$ planning to check back the river, he shoves I fold, v had QJ. (-60$)

6. (250ish$ stack), AQo, in EP, I raise 12$ and get 4 callers, villain otb is the same from hand 2, he's stuck more than 1k at this point. Flop Q82r, I bet 40$, only him calls...turn 3, he donks 60$ and I call, after my call and before the river he shows his cards to guy next to him, guy makes a disgusted face. villain has 60$ behind, river 2, he shoves I call, he has 32 (-170$)

7. (125ish stack), UTG raises to 10$, MP 3bets to 30$ (that's his 3rd 3bet in 2 hours), I shove with red QQ, he tank/calls with AJcc and rivers a flush (-125$)

Is this runbad? playing bad? mix of both?

I am taking a break from poker, rereading Harrington and rebuilding my roll atm

gobbledygeek · 07-18-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by playertee

Bump!! This is a great thread that shouldn't just die imo.

1/3 home game, table was perfect!! My image is so nitty yet I always get called.

I only played 7 hands this session...in the middle of a massive runbad "i think" downswing...so i'm trying to slow things down a little.

1. (150ish$ stack) Limp otb with 4 limpers with A7s, flop flush, b/b/shove get max value from old man +150$

2. (300ish$ stack) limp/call 12$ pre with 33 EP vs a whale, who raises random hands @ random positions, calls with backdoors etc... flop 983r, he bets, i raise and he tank/folds :S (+90$)

3. (375ish$ stack) A8o in the bb, limped around, I check...flop AKJdd, I bet it all the way, turn, river bricks, same old guy from hand 1 calls down with Kx...(+115$)

4. (460ish$ stack), KcJs in MP, UTG is a gambler, not a terrible player, but he loves to do random stuff, 72o 3 barells kinda plays...I call 11$ raise, flop J54cc, he bets 22$, I call, 3folds, turn 3c, he bets 22$ again, which is usually weak...I raise to 65$ with TP and 2nd nfd, he tank calls, river chk chk, he has a straight (-100$)

5. (350ish$ stack), 2 limpers, I raise the BTN with K8cc, flop T94hh, checks through (not a good board to cbet imp), turn Kd, unknown bets 16$, I make it 45$ planning to check back the river, he shoves I fold, v had QJ. (-60$)

6. (250ish$ stack), AQo, in EP, I raise 12$ and get 4 callers, villain otb is the same from hand 2, he's stuck more than 1k at this point. Flop Q82r, I bet 40$, only him calls...turn 3, he donks 60$ and I call, after my call and before the river he shows his cards to guy next to him, guy makes a disgusted face. villain has 60$ behind, river 2, he shoves I call, he has 32 (-170$)

7. (125ish stack), UTG raises to 10$, MP 3bets to 30$ (that's his 3rd 3bet in 2 hours), I shove with red QQ, he tank/calls with AJcc and rivers a flush (-125$)

Is this runbad? playing bad? mix of both?

I am taking a break from poker, rereading Harrington and rebuilding my roll atm

7 hands over how long? Seem too tight, IMO. Open up in LP and start overlimping junkier hands (unsuited connectors / one gappers / broadway unsuited), IMO.

What's the maximum buy in? Hand 1 we're starting with 50 BBs, meh. Keep stack stacked up to 100 BBs or whatever maximum buy in is (or at least cover the poorer players at the table).

1. and 2. look standard, IMO.

3. I probably check/fold and then only go for one or two streets of value, but I'm kinda nitty with TPmehK OOP. But then again, you seem to know your crowd as some idiot just paid off 3 streets with 2nd pair, so well done.

4. Even though stacks might be deep (?) I just fold KJo in MP to an EP raise (even if raiser is light). We're in meh position (looks like we had 3 callers behind us in position?) with a sucky multiway hand. As played, I also just call the flop, especially in this multiway pot. I just call the turn and let villain barrel, plus we don't want to get blown off our draw. I like the check behind on the river.

5. 2 limpers to me on the Button is the borderline case for me for attempting to iso with junk. I'm guessing an argument could be made for every play here (fold, overlimp, raise); I don't hate the raise. I agree it's a sucky board to cbet and I would also give up against two villains. Against unknowns I might call down reasonable bets, or if I'm going to do the free showdown raise/fold I probably just minraise (less expensive than a 3x).

6. Raise more preflop obviously if we're getting 4 callers to an EP raise. $12 is damn small at my 1/3 game, I wouldn't open for less than $15. I'd only cbet 1/2 PSB on this totally dry board; in fact, if it were HU and maybe even 3way I'd consider checking for pot control, but 5ways there's just too many combined outs so I think we have to bet. On the turn we have less than a PSB left; I think we have to either commit or get out, although I guess if we're committing it's ok to get it in over two streets on this dry board. A call of a big flop bet and turn donk is usually pretty scary, but I think it's a tough spot with TPTK with < PSB and we probably have to go with it.

7. Again, unless we realize we're tilting and playing poorly, we should be stacking up to cover fish here. We're only playing with 42 BBs here and will actually have a tough time getting in hands to any reasonable raise (we don't even have a setmining stack here to most typical 1/3 raises). What did guy show up with on his other 3bet hands? Three 3bets in 2 hours ain't exactly maniac. I'm typically folding QQ to 3bets against typical players, but since we're short, I'm cool with going with it.

Good luck with your break.

GcluelessNLnoobG

playertee · 07-18-2012, 02:54 PM

^^ played for 2 hours, my roll has gotten some massive hits and I prefer to play short for the moment, although i really hate it but it is what it is.

i've just been doing this for quiet a while, build a stack and then go home with nothing! It's always the same scenario for the past 10 sessions maybe.

I played 7 hands in 3 hours yes...i could've limp/folded 1 or 2 hands but those are the flops I saw.

Hand4: is a move I learnt from Bart's show, since I am viewed as a nit, I love to raise the turn IP with medium strength hand when the board gets drawy and check back the river...helps my image as well as it charges the draws, as well as it makes them less likely to shove in my face otr if I just call, this happens to me ALOT because they know I can fold big hands

eyesforlies · 07-20-2012, 11:52 PM

If you're rebuilding your roll you provably should have left after hand 3. Obviously good to stay there of you think you've got the edge, like you did, but you also said you were in a major downswing. I would walk away with what you had.

shadowdodger · 07-22-2012, 01:03 PM

18 hands: I was only there for 3-3.5 hours last night
Hero stack size 100BB+ unless otherwise noted or important

1. A9s, btn, 3 limps; raise to 12, all fold.

2. 55, mp raises to 12 with 250 stack, (hero: 200) I call, somewhat loose player in the CO calls, flop A64ss, check, check, CO bets, call from PFRer, hero folds

3. 64s, UTG raises to 6, 1 call, I think for a sec, (while I'm thinking, and I've even said to the table twice that I've got cards, but people like to act out of turn here) 2 calls behind me, 3 folds, I'm still thinking, I call thinking I'm getting great odds, one off the calls takes his money back, then raises to 22, 1 call, hero folds

4. JJ from the BB, 4 limps to me, I raise to 12, 4 callers, flop 773cc, bet 35. Wins.

5. A9o, CO 1 limp to me from the HJ, bet 10, win.

6. AJss, 2 limps to me, raise to 11. 3 callers, flop k82sxx 3 checks cBet 25, wins.

7. A10o, btn, 3 limps to me, I raise to 13, 2 callers, flop AQ8ddd check, check, cBet 30, one caller, loose passive guy UTG who's playing a lot of hands. Turn blank below 8, check to me, hero shoves (1.4psb) wins.

8. QJs raise to 11 UTG+1 over 1 limper, get 4 callers, flop A23rainbow, c c bet 40, 2 folds, BB c/r to 80, hero folds

9. AKo, BB 5 limps, button makes it 12, fold, raise to 35, folds, villain calls, flop AJ 9rainbow, c c, turn blank, no flush option, bet 35, raises to 70, hero shoves, v calls

10. A6o, SB 7 limps to hero calls 1$, BB checks, hero checks dark
Flop A67, rainbow, all checks turn8d, hero bets 15, 5 callers, button raises to 45, hero calls, 5 calls, river any diamond, hero check folds to a 100$ bet from MP (131$), 160$ push from btn.
(I'm going to get railed for that, I knew it at the time. and I know it now... but I really felt either the 6 or the A was going to give me the best hand, and was 90% confident I'd get at least one push and maybe two on the river regardless of the board, and was getting the right implied odds to call the 30 looking for a boat)

11. QJo, BB, 1 limp, loose likely tilting guy raises to 10, SB calls, hero calls, UTG calls, flop KQ6ss, c c bet 10, f f, hero calls, turn low blank, c, bet 25, calls, river A, hero considers bluffing, check check

12. 37ss, 5 limps in front, hero limps, (70$) flop 4210xxs, checks around, (70$) turn Ks BB bets 11, hero calls then 3 others, river non spade, hero check folds

13. 44, CO 2 limp, hero raises to 9, 5 callers, flop AKQ rainbow, hero bets 40, wins

14. 22, MP, button straddles, 1 limper, hero limps, 2 limpers, button raises to 20, call, hero calls, call call, flop 2510hh ck, hero ck, ck ck, button bets 35, hero call with plan to shove any turn, one more caller, one fold, turn k non flush, hero ships almost exactly a pot sized bet (195), gets called

15. 2 limpers, QJs CO, raise to 10 (bigger in position with decent cards?) 4 callers, flop KQ4ccs checks to me, I bet 30, 1 caller from a stationy guy who plays a bit scared, turn 9c he checks, I bet 50, he calls, river, 8c, he checks dark, hero checks (I should have bet the river, check blind shows weakness?flush draw not likely?)

16. 45s, btn, straddles, 5 callers, hero checks, flop 65K rain, checks around, hero checks, turn 4x puts a bdfd, bet 10 from SB who didn't even look at the flop, 2 callers, I raise to 60, he calls fairly quickly, he checks dark, river 2 no flush, hero bets 60, v calls

17. 7 handed (it's past 3 am at this point, room is thining), limp k8s UTG +1 (or whatever you want to call second to act on a 7 handed table) btn a little loose pre flop, somewhat passive with MUBs post flop, but stationy makes it 12, 2 calls, hero call flop k74, SB bets 30, hero call, call (from btn), turn random 9 possible back door flush in the making, SB bets 45, call call, river blank, ck ck ck

18. 7 handed, KK, CO, raise to 15, 4 callers, A96rain hero bets 50, 1 caller, turn river randoms, ck ck, ck ck

shadowdodger · 07-22-2012, 02:06 PM

I sort of forgot the results, but if a mod cares to just append this to my post, or people can just reference this one? Sorry.
1. +9
2. -12
3. -6
4. +45
5. +5
6. +30
7. +58
8. -51
9. +4
10. -47
11. -45
12. -13
13. +45
14. +300
15. -90
16. +150
17. +115
18. -65

PardoG · 07-22-2012, 02:19 PM

this is a cool thread and I've never seen it before. Going to do this during my next session in 2 weeks and post results. will use Iphone notepad

Poe · 07-24-2012, 10:31 AM

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8. QJs raise to 11 UTG+1 over 1 limper, get 4 callers, flop A23rainbow, c c bet 40, 2 folds, BB c/r to 80, hero folds

Fwiw, I don't play K-J/K-T/Q-J/Q-T from ep unless I'm sure I'm getting hu. Difficult to ever win this pot, I think.

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9. AKo, BB 5 limps, button makes it 12, fold, raise to 35, folds, villain calls, flop AJ 9rainbow, c c, turn blank, no flush option, bet 35, raises to 70, hero shoves, v calls

Maybe I can do this profitably because I'm known to donk lots of flops, but I think you really have to continue the lead on this flop.

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10. A6o, SB 7 limps to hero calls 1$, BB checks, hero checks dark
Flop A67, rainbow, all checks turn8d, hero bets 15, 5 callers, button raises to 45, hero calls, 5 calls, river any diamond, hero check folds to a 100$ bet from MP (131$), 160$ push from btn.
(I'm going to get railed for that, I knew it at the time. and I know it now... but I really felt either the 6 or the A was going to give me the best hand, and was 90% confident I'd get at least one push and maybe two on the river regardless of the board, and was getting the right implied odds to call the 30 looking for a boat)

I understand the logic, but with so many in the hand, I'd almost always raise pre-. And, I don't think your hand is strong (or weak) enough to check dark- again, we have to slim this field.
The turn is an aweful card given so many limpers and not one I'd bet unless we're hu at this point.

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15. 2 limpers, QJs CO, raise to 10 (bigger in position with decent cards?) 4 callers, flop KQ4ccs checks to me, I bet 30, 1 caller from a stationy guy who plays a bit scared, turn 9c he checks, I bet 50, he calls, river, 8c, he checks dark, hero checks (I should have bet the river, check blind shows weakness?flush draw not likely?)

Your raises aren't big enough because you're not thinning the field effectively- hand strength is irrelevant until you've resolved that issue. By this point, given your table, I'd probably be raising to $20/ $25 and more if that wasn't working.

As played, bet more otf- we're trying to get K's out, so $40-$50 (I'd be going $50) is required.
Turn, as played, I'd rather check here and decide whether to check or bet the river.

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16. 45s, btn, straddles, 5 callers, hero checks, flop 65K rain, checks around, hero checks, turn 4x puts a bdfd, bet 10 from SB who didn't even look at the flop, 2 callers, I raise to 60, he calls fairly quickly, he checks dark, river 2 no flush, hero bets 60, v calls

Interesting- I don't straddle unless the table is social and its important to keep everyone happy. If I do straddle, I'm raising almost always, especially when there are so many revellers to the party and especially with your hand.

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18. 7 handed, KK, CO, raise to 15, 4 callers, A96rain hero bets 50, 1 caller, turn river randoms, ck ck, ck ck

Because we have four in the pot, I'm probably giving up on this pot- so c-betting so much (when you haven't been c-betting big till now) seems a waste of $s. On an A-high board, surely $25 would have been enough?

Poe · 07-24-2012, 12:14 PM

Totally new casino in a city a few hours away- I’ve never seen anyone before. Table seems average recreational regs- polarised between narrow opening range and very gambly.
Game is 1-2, 9-handed.
I start with £200 and stacks range from £200 (min) to around £1100.
It’s 8:30pm when I sit down- I miss the first orbit and then:

1.HJ, 66, 2 limpers, I raise to £8, 3 callers. Flop= K-T-4. C-bet £15, 2 callers. Turn = 8, check-fold. (-23)

2.Bt, 86hh, (2 hands later), 1 limper, I raise to £8, 2 callers. Flop Ah 4h 4d, cbet £15, fold to the re-raise. (-23)

3.BB, 54cc (next orbit), 4 limpers, I check. Flop= 7-5-2r, call £5, HU to the turn. Turn= A, check-call £15. River= 4, check-call £25 (+55)

4.Bt, T8dd, 2 limpers, raise to £10, 2 callers. Flop= T-9-7, chck, chck, I bet £20, 1 call. Turn= 3, chck, chck. River= 3, check, I bet £45, calls (+80)

5.SB, Q2 (next hand), 3 limpers, I complete, 5 to the flop. Flop=Qs-6-2s, I bet £10, 1 caller. Turn=7o, I bet £20, calls. River= Ao, I bet £50, calls (+85)

6.BB, K5, 1 limper, raise to £7, I call, 3 to the flop. Flop= 8-5-4, check-call £10, HU. Turn=A, check-fold. (-17)

7.HJ, Q5, UTG+1 raise, 1 call, I raise to £25, fold to a shove (!) (-25)

8.MP, AJ, raise to £15, 2 callers. Flop= Ax-7h-6h, bet £35, 1 call. Turn=Jx, I bet £70, calls. River=Ax, I shove £200, calls (+335)

9.Co, 87dd, call 8, 4 to flop. Flop= A-K-7, call 15, 3-way. Turn= K. fold to re-raise (-23)

10.SB, Js9s, 3bet to £25. HU to the Flop= A-Q-3, check –raise to £45, fold to shove. (-£70)

11.UTG+1, QQ, raise £15, 2 callers. Flop= Q-8-4r, checks round. Turn=A, I bet £45, 1 call. River= K (spade flush comes in), I bet £110, he has the flush (-£170)

12.HJ, AK, 3bet to £30, 1 call. Flop=T-5-5, bet £60, calls. Turn 5, bet £135, folds. (+95)

13.Bt, TT, raise £20, 2 calls. Flop= Q-J-7 checks round. Turn= A, fold (-£20)

14.Bt, 4c3c, 3bet to £35, 2 calls. Flop= Ac-Tc-6h, donk of £50, fold, I call. Turn= Qc. Bets £50, I raise to £125, he calls. River=Jx, he checkfolds for £50. (+250)

15.Co, 8h3h, raise £20, 4 callers. Flop was A-high, I folded. (-£20)

16.HJ, A7, 3bet to £35, 3 callers. Flop= 8-5-4 (w/ fd), I bet £100, all fold. (+100)

17.BB, KJ, call raise to £10, 4 to the Flop= K-Q-6, check-call £20. 3 to Turn=Q, check call £50, HU to the River= A (and potential flush), call £50 (-£130)

18.MP, 99, raise £20, 2 calls. Flop= J-9-2, bet, £50, 3bet £220 to put V all in. set-over-set (-240)

19.HJ, A8, 3bet to £55, HU. Flop= A-T-9, bet £80, folds (+60)

20.CO, KQ (next hand), 3bet to £65, 2 calls. Flop= A-J-6, checks round. Turn= 5, fold (-£65)

21.Bt, 86, raise £20, 3 calls. Flop= K-K-T, fold (-£20)

22.Bt, T4, raise to £25, 2 calls. Flop= J-T-7, checks round. Turn=7, I bet £50, all fold. (+50)

23.HJ, QQ, 3bet to £75, 1 call. Flop= 7-7-4, I bet £80, he calls. Turn= 4, check, check. River= T, checks, I bet £90, he calls (with AA) (-£165)

24.Btn, AsTs, raise £30, 2 calls. Flop= Q-9-4, I bet £70, 1 call. Turn Q, check-check. River= J, check-check (+130)

I’m up to £475 when I leave.

gobbledygeek · 07-24-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowdodger

18 hands: I was only there for 3-3.5 hours last night
Hero stack size 100BB+ unless otherwise noted or important

1. A9s, btn, 3 limps; raise to 12, all fold.
- I'd be cool with overlimping and playing for max value for the nut flush draw in position in a multiway pot, but I'm guessing raising/cbetting is fine too

2. 55, mp raises to 12 with 250 stack, (hero: 200) I call, somewhat loose player in the CO calls, flop A64ss, check, check, CO bets, call from PFRer, hero folds
- our stack and position ain't great, but if we know there are going to probably be lottsa other callers, I probably also make a loose preflop call here

3. 64s, UTG raises to 6, 1 call, I think for a sec, (while I'm thinking, and I've even said to the table twice that I've got cards, but people like to act out of turn here) 2 calls behind me, 3 folds, I'm still thinking, I call thinking I'm getting great odds, one off the calls takes his money back, then raises to 22, 1 call, hero folds
- too early a position to be considering a call methinks

4. JJ from the BB, 4 limps to me, I raise to 12, 4 callers, flop 773cc, bet 35. Wins.
- I don't think we want to go 5ways to a flop with JJ, so I'd raise more preflop

5. A9o, CO 1 limp to me from the HJ, bet 10, win.
- standard, imo

6. AJss, 2 limps to me, raise to 11. 3 callers, flop k82sxx 3 checks cBet 25, wins.
- I normally don't cbet air in 4way pots, but this is definitely the flop to do that if I do

7. A10o, btn, 3 limps to me, I raise to 13, 2 callers, flop AQ8ddd check, check, cBet 30, one caller, loose passive guy UTG who's playing a lot of hands. Turn blank below 8, check to me, hero shoves (1.4psb) wins.
- I think we overplayed the turn; I'd probably check back the turn as we're ahead of so few limp/call Ax hands plus there is the flush on board; I kinda don't like the shove as I feel we mostly only get worse hands to fold and better hands to call, so I'm not sure what the point of it was

8. QJs raise to 11 UTG+1 over 1 limper, get 4 callers, flop A23rainbow, c c bet 40, 2 folds, BB c/r to 80, hero folds
- I think this is just too early a position to be building a bloated pot, I'd probably just overlimp and try to see a cheap flop; I'm not cbetting an A high board in a 5way pot, I think we burned some money in this hand

9. AKo, BB 5 limps, button makes it 12, fold, raise to 35, folds, villain calls, flop AJ 9rainbow, c c, turn blank, no flush option, bet 35, raises to 70, hero shoves, v calls
- pretty stack dependent, but if I'm 3betting I'm typically going a lot more due to dead money in the pot; I think postflop is just too stack dependent, but I'm typically not shoving over a minraise even though we did show weakness on the flop

10. A6o, SB 7 limps to hero calls 1$, BB checks, hero checks dark
Flop A67, rainbow, all checks turn8d, hero bets 15, 5 callers, button raises to 45, hero calls, 5 calls, river any diamond, hero check folds to a 100$ bet from MP (131$), 160$ push from btn.
(I'm going to get railed for that, I knew it at the time. and I know it now... but I really felt either the 6 or the A was going to give me the best hand, and was 90% confident I'd get at least one push and maybe two on the river regardless of the board, and was getting the right implied odds to call the 30 looking for a boat)
- I guess we're getting great preflop odds so I probably also complete (I wouldn't in my usual 1/3 blind structure); never ever check dark, it just takes away our betting option, which in this case is a most obvious flop donk; did I just read that the turn donk got FIVE callers before a raise, omg, what kinda table is this, but super easy fold to the raise, all we're beating is an overplayed two middling pair, plus we still have 5 players waiting in the weeds behind us to react; I'm not sure of pot size, but I doubt we have anywhere close to the 10:5:1 we'll be needing, plus the fact that some of our outs could be gone or dirty (someone else could have an A and a bigger two pair one at that)

11. QJo, BB, 1 limp, loose likely tilting guy raises to 10, SB calls, hero calls, UTG calls, flop KQ6ss, c c bet 10, f f, hero calls, turn low blank, c, bet 25, calls, river A, hero considers bluffing, check check
- I fold preflop (dominated hand, OOP, bleh); I'd probably fold flop since guy bet into 3 opponents; even though I wouldn't be surprised if we won this hand, if seems spewy to me calling down OOP with 2nd pair

12. 37ss, 5 limps in front, hero limps, (70$) flop 4210xxs, checks around, (70$) turn Ks BB bets 11, hero calls then 3 others, river non spade, hero check folds
- do we only have $70, cuz if so nowhere near the stack size to overlimp this crap, imo; HH seems screwed up, I'm not sure how we can overlimp in position but then have 3 others call behind us on the turn when we call a BB bet

13. 44, CO 2 limp, hero raises to 9, 5 callers, flop AKQ rainbow, hero bets 40, wins
- I don't understand this hand at all; obviously the loose table combined with our small raise size, all this is is a juicer for when we hit our set, which I hate because I don't think we need a juicer, so I overlimp for cheap; and then a board flops that smacks the world in the face we bet into the world; I'm shocked (stunned really) that 5 opponents folded this flop; total spew, IMO

14. 22, MP, button straddles, 1 limper, hero limps, 2 limpers, button raises to 20, call, hero calls, call call, flop 2510hh ck, hero ck, ck ck, button bets 35, hero call with plan to shove any turn, one more caller, one fold, turn k non flush, hero ships almost exactly a pot sized bet (195), gets called
- table seems really limp/cally, so if we know this is going to happen and there are some decent effective stacks, then I probably also make a very loose preflop call; omg, bet this flop, we're in a 5 way pot and no one is guaranteed to bet it

15. 2 limpers, QJs CO, raise to 10 (bigger in position with decent cards?) 4 callers, flop KQ4ccs checks to me, I bet 30, 1 caller from a stationy guy who plays a bit scared, turn 9c he checks, I bet 50, he calls, river, 8c, he checks dark, hero checks (I should have bet the river, check blind shows weakness?flush draw not likely?)
- this seems to be a constant theme in this thread so far, but I don't understand why we are raising with mediocre hands if we are not thinning the field in order for our cbets to possibly be able to be successful; so I either overlimp these mediocre hands and play for cheap, or I raise big so that I can possibly get this HU; at this loose table, I'm probably leaning towards overlimping non-monster hands; I just don't think betting 2nd pair is going to be profitable in bloated 5way pots, so I take my free card on the flop; I give up after weak guy calls the flop bet (this just completed straights and flushes), are we bluffing here; the check/dark on the river is hard to react to since we don't actually know if it's a sign of weakness, I guess we could consider a bluff but I'm guessing stacks would have to go in

16. 45s, btn, straddles, 5 callers, hero checks, flop 65K rain, checks around, hero checks, turn 4x puts a bdfd, bet 10 from SB who didn't even look at the flop, 2 callers, I raise to 60, he calls fairly quickly, he checks dark, river 2 no flush, hero bets 60, v calls
- I'm leaning towards not going broke in a limped pot; we only have bottom two pair here, so I think I'm just passively (perhaps too passively) calling the turn and going to showdown

17. 7 handed (it's past 3 am at this point, room is thining), limp k8s UTG +1 (or whatever you want to call second to act on a 7 handed table) btn a little loose pre flop, somewhat passive with MUBs post flop, but stationy makes it 12, 2 calls, hero call flop k74, SB bets 30, hero call, call (from btn), turn random 9 possible back door flush in the making, SB bets 45, call call, river blank, ck ck ck
- omg, fold preflop both times; fold the flop (we think SB is betting a worse hand into the raiser, plus we still have raiser to act behind us); I also fold the turn when SB continues to bet a dry board into two opponents; I fold every time I'm given the opportunity here

18. 7 handed, KK, CO, raise to 15, 4 callers, A96rain hero bets 50, 1 caller, turn river randoms, ck ck, ck ck
- I'd raise more preflop at this obviously super loose table; I check behind on the flop (it's fairly drawless, no better hand is folding, few worse hands can call); I also check it down after being called on the flop bet

My overall opinion is that we were too loose preflop, plus bloated too many pots preflop with mediocre hands at a very loose table, plus cbet with abandon in multiway pots, plus got in too many spots where we were calling down with junk. This sounds like a very loose table, so I think we have to tighten up our raising range and just try to get into pots for cheap and flop nutty hands (where we'll get paid off). I also think we're overvalueing mediocre hands in multiway pots, where we usually have to show down a much stronger hand in general (when compared to HU) in order to win, plus bluffs just won't be as successful. IMHO. ETA: Having said that, it's sometimes hard to judge so many hands at once, especially considering each hand is against a particular opponent(s) that you may have a fairly good read on.

gobbledygeek · 07-24-2012, 01:19 PM

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Totally new casino in a city a few hours away- I’ve never seen anyone before. Table seems average recreational regs- polarised between narrow opening range and very gambly.
Game is 1-2, 9-handed.
I start with £200 and stacks range from £200 (min) to around £1100.
It’s 8:30pm when I sit down- I miss the first orbit and then:

1.HJ, 66, 2 limpers, I raise to £8, 3 callers. Flop= K-T-4. C-bet £15, 2 callers. Turn = 8, check-fold. (-23)
- I don't understand the small preflop raise; either we are juicing the pot for when we hit our set (which I don't believe is required with smaller stacks), or we should actually raise more to attempt to thin the field; after two limpers, I'd be cool with just overlimping and setming; with 3 callers, I'm checking this flop behind; turn is obvious

2.Bt, 86hh, (2 hands later), 1 limper, I raise to £8, 2 callers. Flop Ah 4h 4d, cbet £15, fold to the re-raise. (-23)
- again, I'm cool with raising ATC here but let's raise an amount that will thin the field; I'm cool with the 1/2 PSB cbet, the reraise size and stacks will decide whether I thinking chasing a flush draw on a paired board is worthwhile (also considering whether it's possible he allows the turn to check thru)

3.BB, 54cc (next orbit), 4 limpers, I check. Flop= 7-5-2r, call £5, HU to the turn. Turn= A, check-call £15. River= 4, check-call £25 (+55)
- I routinely fold 2nd pair / no draw in a multiway pot OOP without a second thought; I also fold the turn; on the river I'd actually probably bet for value for fear of villain checking behind

4.Bt, T8dd, 2 limpers, raise to £10, 2 callers. Flop= T-9-7, chck, chck, I bet £20, 1 call. Turn= 3, chck, chck. River= 3, check, I bet £45, calls (+80)
- again, raise more or overlimp, IMO; I'm cool with rest of hand

5.SB, Q2 (next hand), 3 limpers, I complete, 5 to the flop. Flop=Qs-6-2s, I bet £10, 1 caller. Turn=7o, I bet £20, calls. River= Ao, I bet £50, calls (+85)
- I'm not completing absolute junk; I'm cool with rest of hand

6.BB, K5, 1 limper, raise to £7, I call, 3 to the flop. Flop= 8-5-4, check-call £10, HU. Turn=A, check-fold. (-17)
- instafold preflop; I probably fold the flop too (2nd pair no draw OOP to someone who bets the flop, albeit into only two opponents, isn't what I was looking for when I played this crap preflop)

7.HJ, Q5, UTG+1 raise, 1 call, I raise to £25, fold to a shove (!) (-25)
- I don't get creative vs an EP raise; if the open raise was in LP, ok, maybe we could occasionally get creative with the right image (but I'd still instamuck this hand like 99.9% of the time, give me Ax to get creative where I can accidentally flop the best hand)

8.MP, AJ, raise to £15, 2 callers. Flop= Ax-7h-6h, bet £35, 1 call. Turn=Jx, I bet £70, calls. River=Ax, I shove £200, calls (+335)
- nice hand, IMO

9.Co, 87dd, call 8, 4 to flop. Flop= A-K-7, call 15, 3-way. Turn= K. fold to re-raise (-23)
- preflop is fine, if we're not burning thru money postflop, and putting in any more money postflop is burning money, IMO

10.SB, Js9s, 3bet to £25. HU to the Flop= A-Q-3, check –raise to £45, fold to shove. (-£70)
- I just fold preflop; if I'm getting creative, I'd much rather get creative in position

11.UTG+1, QQ, raise £15, 2 callers. Flop= Q-8-4r, checks round. Turn=A, I bet £45, 1 call. River= K (spade flush comes in), I bet £110, he has the flush (-£170)
- looks like we have a very active image so far, in which case I bet the flop (with a more nitty image, by all means check the flop); sounds like we have < PSB left on the river (?) so yeah, I shove too so that worse hands can't check behind

12.HJ, AK, 3bet to £30, 1 call. Flop=T-5-5, bet £60, calls. Turn 5, bet £135, folds. (+95)
- given our active image, I think 3betting is probably better than flatting (I would be fine with flatting myself); I probably just do a 1/2 PSB as played; I don't think the 5 is a great card to continue barrelling with as I think it will be difficult to fold a fullhouse (zeebo)

13.Bt, TT, raise £20, 2 calls. Flop= Q-J-7 checks round. Turn= A, fold (-£20)
- nh, IMO

14.Bt, 4c3c, 3bet to £35, 2 calls. Flop= Ac-Tc-6h, donk of £50, fold, I call. Turn= Qc. Bets £50, I raise to £125, he calls. River=Jx, he checkfolds for £50. (+250)
- if our 3bets are getting called in two places, then I think we should limit our 3betting hands to, you know, slightly better than 4 high; without knowing stacks, I raise more on the turn; we didn't just bet $50 into a $355 pot when villain says he is perfectly willing to call a shove (and the board may have just improved him), did we? again, without knowing stacks, easy shove on river

15.Co, 8h3h, raise £20, 4 callers. Flop was A-high, I folded. (-£20)
- at a loose table that is going to call $20 raises in 4 spots, I begin limiting my raising to good hands

16.HJ, A7, 3bet to £35, 3 callers. Flop= 8-5-4 (w/ fd), I bet £100, all fold. (+100)
- again, do we really want to be going to the flop 4ways in a 3bet pot with crap; I dunno, maybe our 3bets are getting called in so many spots because we 3bet so often, but if that's the case, time to switch gears now; I think there's too much stuff that can call this flop (fd, gs, pair + draw, etc.) so I check behind

17.BB, KJ, call raise to £10, 4 to the Flop= K-Q-6, check-call £20. 3 to Turn=Q, check call £50, HU to the River= A (and potential flush), call £50 (-£130)
- KJo plays horrible multiway, plus we're OOP, I fold preflop; I guess we can't fold TP on the flop now that we called; with three to the turn and someone still betting, I'm done with the hand now, ditto for river

18.MP, 99, raise £20, 2 calls. Flop= J-9-2, bet, £50, 3bet £220 to put V all in. set-over-set (-240)
- nh

19.HJ, A8, 3bet to £55, HU. Flop= A-T-9, bet £80, folds (+60)
- finally, a 3bet size that gets things HU! since the board is a little drawy, I probably try to end things now with a bet as well (on a dryer board I might check back)

20.CO, KQ (next hand), 3bet to £65, 2 calls. Flop= A-J-6, checks round. Turn= 5, fold (-£65)
- I typically fold preflop, but looks like your style is to 3bet; nh afterwards

21.Bt, 86, raise £20, 3 calls. Flop= K-K-T, fold (-£20)
- I'd either overlimp or raise an amount that gets this HU; I typically don't cbet in a 4way pot, but with a tightish image I might do that here (sounds like we don't have a tightish image)

22.Bt, T4, raise to £25, 2 calls. Flop= J-T-7, checks round. Turn=7, I bet £50, all fold. (+50)
- if we think we can get this HU, I'm ok with preflop; I'd bet the flop simply because there are draws that could call

23.HJ, QQ, 3bet to £75, 1 call. Flop= 7-7-4, I bet £80, he calls. Turn= 4, check, check. River= T, checks, I bet £90, he calls (with AA) (-£165)
- I'm not sure of stack sizes, but if we're committed on the turn then I think we have to go with it; if we're still not pot committed by the turn (or would be if we bet the turn), then nh, IMO

24.Btn, AsTs, raise £30, 2 calls. Flop= Q-9-4, I bet £70, 1 call. Turn Q, check-check. River= J, check-check (+130)
- I don't think there is any need for such a large cbet, I'd just do 1/2 PSB; nh otherwise

I’m up to £475 when I leave.

Our styles are obviously very different (you are far more aggressive preflop than I am). At a very loose and payoffy table, I'm not sure that's correct. Then again, you did just book a 138 BB win, but a lot of that came down to our fullhouse hand (although we did suffer a couple of bad beat hands with flopped sets).

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Poe · 07-24-2012, 07:29 PM

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