Hero is early 20s white guy. Reg at casino. TAG image.

Villain is new to the table just came from must move. Older guy. Handles his chips like he's new.

Hero covers.


Villain limps MP and BTN, SB limp as well.

We look down at K9hh in BB and check.

Pot: 20

Flop

KT4dd

SB Checks, we bet 20, villain calls. Fold, fold.

Pot 60

Turn Qh

We bet 50, Villain snap calls. (I feel like this might be too thin).

Pot: 160

River is Js.

We check.

Villain bets 65 very quickly.

hero???

I think turn is check. Don't know what I would have done if he bet. Probably depends on timing and sizing.

Ap, river is probably a sigh call if you think he could turn two pair into a bluff. He probably checks a lot of his 9s and two pairs though, so I don't know.

Top pair, meh kicker on a wet board multi-way OOP sucks to play. I tend to check/evaluate this type of hand readless (often folding). Our marginal hand only gets worse on future streets and it doesn't really have any chance to improve. We can't feel good about even a 9/K if there was flop action.

I'd call the river for this sizing. If he really is inexperienced there are a lot of hands he can have other than broadway. I see two pair all the time here from older guys especially and they are surprised when they lose. Even at 2|5 a lot of people seem to have no concept of relative hand strength. At least enough to call getting about 3.5:1. Villain can also be bluffing, etc.

Pre and flop are good. I think the turn sizing is a little too big, if you're going to bet. I'd probably check with TPWK.

River is a call. Idiot end of the straight, but pretty good odds when villain might be betting thinly with two pair.

Agree with all this. Check the turn. As played, I very reluctantly call the river, fully expecting this Villain to turn over something like A10o.

A lot of bad players will flat AK or maybe he tried to get cute with AA trying to l/rr.

AdXd is also possible. IF he has a clue, he's not betting a 4 card straight board w/o it. There are more aces in his range than 9's and he's probably checking back two pair hands and maybe even sets but the bet look like a value bet. I'm closer to a call since he handles chips badly maybe he doesn't even see the straight since he bet so fast otr.

Given your read so far, do you think he's got a tighter or looser old-man MP open limping range (A2-A5s, A8s+, ATo+, JTo+, JTs+, 44-99, few combos of 76s-T9s)?

Asking this because I also have trouble coming up with a hand range for these seemingly tight-ish (b/c of their age) opponents who open limp in late position.

The tighter he is, the more Ax he would seem to have by the river, and the more straightforward he is the less likely he'd be turning 2pair into a bluff on the river.

Is the K or the T a ? Reason being that it adds Tx and Kx combos that would play this way and potentially be chopping / opt to bluff the river here.

If he's tight then the aces he'd show up with on the river would be Ax, AK (less combos since he may raise pre/on the flop), AQ (may not peel the flop/snap call the turn) AJ (less combos as he's likely raising the turn)

AT is likely, but maybe doesn't snap call the turn.


That said, even the more passive/tight regulars may see a chance to make a cheap bluff here with Kx (or even small 2p like QJs) that would call twice and then opt to bet the river.

Agree that he's got more aces than 9's here, but disagree here with him having AK/AA since players of his type tend to raise drawy boards and he declined to raise two streets.

If he's a novice player he may be betting on the end with 2 pair: disagree that no novice player would ever bet a 4-liner on the river here.

That said, his bet does look value-y, though I argue he's doesn't only have Ax when he bets the river for this size.

besides a suited diamond hand with an ace and AA/AK, what aces does he have on the river?!

I too like a check back on the turn. Other than that, I don't have a problem with the hand.

As played, call it off. You're getting about 3.5 to 1, and I'm having a hard time finding a lot of Ax in his range. Without knowing exactly what cards were diamonds on the flop (I'm assuming the 10 and 4) it makes it more difficult to figure out what type of Ax hands he can have here. I think if our V shows up with an A here then it's some kind of Axdd hand or possibly A10. With the odds your getting on the call and the relatively small actual price of the bet, I'm sigh calling here and expecting to be right about half the time.

A good player wouldnt have many aces, but assuming villain isnt that good based on the fact that he fumbles with his chips, he can have AK/AQ/AJ/AT plus some AdXd very easily.

Having said that, if he bet the river so fast that he couldnt have even processed the fact that there is a 4 card straight out there, I would call. If he took a few seconds to think about it, I would fold.

Personally though, I check the flop here every time. I make more money betting the turn and getting called by a T or by someone matching the turn card, and lose less when called on the flop by a better K. If it checks thru and the turn if a diamond, who cares? I have nothing invested and a FD wasnt folding the flop anyway.

There are players that will call $20 on this flop with any Ax, and they aren't as rare as you'd think.

They probably don't snap on the turn for $50, though without a pair to go with it at least.