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Old 08-07-2012, 01:55 PM   #76
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If it is a tank, you add ink AQ/AK

If it was quick it is more kK/AA right?
Pretty much. The easier decisions tend to happen much quicker.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:57 PM   #77
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Judging by his actions pf I am confident he has QQ+, AK
AKo or AKs
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:57 PM   #78
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Judging by his actions pf I am confident he has QQ+, AK
Then I probably hate donking OTF is you are confident thats his range.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:59 PM   #79
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Then I probably hate donking OTF is you are confident thats his range.
Yeah that range is why I like donking for value only
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:59 PM   #80
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QQ+ = 18 combos
AK = 16 combos

Let's see the flop and flop action. Sucks that we are OOP.
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I'm sorry but the idea of folding pre is retahded...I mean, it doesn't get any better than this. villain obv has a hand that he likes a lot, and we all know most LLNL overplay a big PP..It's a 3bet pot, we are at 200bb.......??????

I also said this is a setmine mostly call with a possibility of peeling one street if all low cards come. This should be our plan
But this V is not typical LLSNL. Per OP, he is a nit who will very likely not payoff a flopped set, and is uncomfortable playing deep post-flop, which sounds to me like he may pot control 1-pr hands. Perhaps this is exploitable, but that strategy is disctinct from set-mining.
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Yeah that range is why I like donking for value only
If AQ was in his range I would donk on a low board. Per OP though it's not. JJ isn't even there (as expected). We be set mining all day. Maybe peeling one depending on bet sizing.
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But this V is not typical LLSNL. Per OP, he is a nit who will very likely not payoff a flopped set, and is uncomfortable playing deep post-flop, which sounds to me like he may pot control 1-pr hands. Perhaps this is exploitable, but that strategy is disctinct from set-mining.
You don't need to make much money for this to be profitable. It was stated before, but I think it is like two small streets of value. Easy to get.

Say he bets flop small, you call. Turn a set.

Check, he checks it through.

You can bet very small OTR and he will call enough for this to be profitable.
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But this V is not typical LLSNL. Per OP, he is a nit who will very likely not payoff a flopped set, and is uncomfortable playing deep post-flop, which sounds to me like he may pot control 1-pr hands. Perhaps this is exploitable, but that strategy is disctinct from set-mining.
I think you are underestimating villain's aggression..It's a 3bet pot, not a raised pot...This villain doesn't 3bet light, so he has a hand that he likely won't pot control unless the board is obv threatening to him.
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:27 PM   #85
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MP1 (1500) - Male Nit short stacker (married to female) who has run up a big stack
Such description is never comfortable stacking off with overpair.

I think if villain bets less than $200, a CR to $500 will get him to fold everything but set.

I don't think the difficulty lies within winning this hand, but rather how to extract max value if we hit our set.

Assuming we did flop set, I can see check/call ~$200, check/check turn, and bet $300/tank call on river.
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:30 PM   #86
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Ez call. Guys like this get totally lost when they're deep. I love it when I'm in spots like this.

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- I donk if I flop a set, probably 100-125. He's never folding an overpair, and hopefully will raise, esp if board is drawy. If he does raise, the hand gets really interesting b.c. I'm not sure if I'm 3 betting, calling and leading turn, or calling and check-raising ott. Need to know more about the villain to make decision.
- If board is low rags, I check call a reasonable bet b.c. he probably doesn't have double barrel in his arsenal that much and his turn bet will reflect the strength of his hand pretty accurately. If he bombs flop, I just let it go.
- If flop is A-high or K-high, etc I just check fold.
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I think you are underestimating villain's aggression..It's a 3bet pot, not a raised pot...This villain doesn't 3bet light, so he has a hand that he likely won't pot control unless the board is obv threatening to him.
I agree on his range (QQ+,AK), which I referred to in an earlier post.

If Hero calls, my thoughts from a V perspective are: "Opened UTG, best player at the table, called my 3-bet even though he is oop." Unless V has AA, I think this type will proceed more cautiously than most others believe. The players also have a history together.
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6 pages and it's still preflop. This thread better be 25 pages or more at showdown.
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I'm planning on updating it tonight before I go grind or when I get back.
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