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Old 07-05-2012, 07:35 PM   #106
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Re: PAHWM: Setmining 77, Time for Plan B

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Hero should bet this flop when checked to in order to pick up the dead money. In fact I'd bet here with a pretty wide range. any pair, overcards, backdoor draws, etc. V2's range should be fairly wide so not worried about him, plus he'll still have V1 behind to worry about.

Checking is OK but not best since we won't have the best hand at showdown here all that often.
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Old 07-06-2012, 05:36 PM   #107
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Re: PAHWM: Setmining 77, Time for Plan B

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...you can make the turn decision anything from a check/fold... to a bet/something.
I'm glad you're leaving open the possibility of a turn bet/call. I think it's really likely, like 80% or more, that you stack a straight if you fill up. See my last point below.

Whether that makes a bet/call appropriate depends on raise vs. stack size, obv.

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I didn't set the calling with an overpair factor as low as 66%. In my games, for most players, any action after a card that puts a four flush or a four straight on the board is usually very polarizing, with a very low bluffing frequency. That may be different in the games you play in, but time and time again I see people slow way down on these types of boards when they don't have the obvious nut hand.
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That's not always the case; I have seen top two and bottom two play for stacks on a 4 straight board, and I have seen people bluff catch really light.
But it's just basic psychology of live poker that people call too often! They get curious.... they didn't drive to the cardroom and sit at the table 6 hours to fold hands .... and folding not knowing if you got bluffed out isn't fun.

Plenty of times players with the cognitive ability to play better still don't have the discipline to play better, especially to make tough folds. I certainly don't always.

You have a weak read that V2 is competent. Several times ITT you seem to have concluded this means that he would play hands just as you do, and take optimal lines against what you would do. Respecting one's opponents is good, but overestimating their skill isn't.

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