Reads:

Villain 1: Idiot luck box, loose passive, wysiwyg player.

Villain 2: Seems competent. Hasn't been active at the table. I have only noticed 2 hands he has played: AIPF with KK v. AA for 70BB (utterly standard) and a button v. SB hand we played:

Folds to me OTB, I have KK and raise to $7, he calls, BB folds.

Flop: QT8, he checks, I bet $11, he calls.

Turn: 7, he checks, I bet $26, he calls.

River: T, he checks, I bet $52 he folds.

His play there seems fine to me if he has KQ or AQ and views me as tight and solid.

Effective stacks in this hand are $300

Idiot luck box is UTG and raises to $12 with a guaranteed top 2.5% hand.

I am CO with 77, folds to me, and I call with the easiest set mine in the world, so we'll just skip preflop. Villain 2 calls on the button.

Flop ($36): 643

UTG checks, I...

Did you clear this with the mods?

What's V1 cbet % and range like and does he like to c/r a lot with strong hands?

If he is not a chronic c/r I think I am betting this and expecting a call from V1 (and when I say chronic c/r I mean with hands that have us beat here.. not not betting because I am scurrred). If V2 has an OP or a piece he may come along, but I would expect him to get out the way most of the time.

This statement seems like an oxymoron. How can the guy be an idiot luck box and you KNOW he has a top 2.5% hand? I can almost never be sure of that even from the nits.

I lead this flop unless I am SURE of my reads that UTG has a big hand and can slowplay on a board like this.

I bet $20-25 here and expect to take it down a lot of the time. We have almost the best flop possible for our hand that doesn't contain a 7. So even if UTG happens to have an overpair, unless he CR big we have a lot of equity to felt him since most $1/2 players are not aggressive when they have 88-QQ in this spot.

My plan is to fold if 3-bet and evaluate turn.

I would bet 20-25 here and plan to barrel blank turns

check, you have too much equity vs his entire range and don't want to get chr and if the turn bricks and he checks again bet and peel one if he bets and fold the river.

Betting the flop here isn't for value

$25 sounds good.

Villain doesn't sound like the type to be c/r ing you,

I'm folding to reraises however.

You could check the flop, and call him down for the other two streets on an
Effort to pot control I guess, just call down any non broadway cards.

+1

basically he has ak and might float one street but he might call two if you check here but he has 12 combos of
aa/kk in his range

We DO want to get CR here because it lets us know when we are beat. Your line just delays the bet and gives two players a chance to hit potentially 4 overs that won't fold on the turn. The flop bet takes the guessing game out of it.

Another reason the bet is better is because $1/2 players are virtually never making a raise on the flop with worse, but often call with worse.

Yeah I didn't see the person to act behind us, I still like a check

$22

I really don't see how the check is better at all here since it leaves us calling/betting blind on the turn and river and with only pre-flop information as to what their ranges are. Checking doesn't tell us at all if anyone has 88+, and then we call two streets getting value owned by anything above 7's. Also, if a 9 or T comes we aren't folding and A9 or QT and hands like that are in both V's ranges.

How is A9 or Q10 in Vs range? Read the read, haha, OP states that V has top 2.5% hand, or something close. Neither of those two hands are in his range. Also, he opened Utg, why would he open either of those two Utg?

There's still a guy behind us...


If you check here it's just to give up on the hand unless we hit a 7.

@muck-faster:

Not an oxymoron at all. He's loose passive, so a big UTG raise is a guaranteed premium. He's an idiot cuz I have seen him set mine 33 by calling a preflop raise to 16 for 1/3 of his stack, and he's a luck box because he binked his set.

Or he's an idiot because he called an UTG raise OTB with A7, called a flop c-bet on A9T flop, called off half his stack on a turn 2, and he's a luck box cuz he rivered a 7 to beat AK.

I could go on, but the point is clear-- the dude keeps putting his money in bad and getting bailed out by the deck.