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06-26-2016 , 01:53 AM
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First time in the room and all but one or two are unknowns to me. So far, I've set mined successfully for 100BB. I'm also the only one who's shown any kind of consistent preflop aggression. People may or may not have noticed, but their adjustments would be just to get a little more sticky until big money goes in.

HJ,CO, and BTN are my main targets, although they don't play all that prominently in the hand. CO has been hitting everything and has me covered. Between he and the 100bb HJ, I'm trying to get into pots with them as they're overplaying a lot of hands.


V1 (BB): Preflop, he'll limp in if there's a train running, but otherwise he's just folding. He's only opened a couple times and it was always with big hands. Post flop he's only putting money in with real good hands. It's gotten him paid a couple times because of some of the other real bad players at the table. He's not the type to ever push a draw. If he's in the mood, he might call down with TPGK in a limped pot, but if he's raising you can bet hes got >1P. He looks like the most interesting man in the world, except he isn't at all. In fact he's damn boring. I can't imagine he has a happy wife at home. Neither does the most interesting man in the world, but that's just because he's too busy being awesome. This guy is just too busy being dull and nitty. Stack ~$325 (not stacking in standard towers)

Hero (SB) Winning image. Probably viewed as aggro, but haven't been caught yet, and all most people remember is that I hit a set and have been raising and taking pots down. I've been real friendly and outgoing trying to get good vibes since it's my first time here. Stack $450



Preflop: Short stacked MP and MP2 limp. Big stack CO limps. Bad shorty Btn limps. Hero looks at Q8 knowing that BB is virtually never raising and....
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06-26-2016 , 01:58 AM
Raises.

Spike, I gotta say, I've missed your HHs. Your descriptions usta have me rolling.

POAST MOAR! (now that you are playing again n all...)
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06-26-2016 , 09:17 AM
Call. Hand it easily good enough to play make-a-hand against described V's. It's not good enough to raise for value, especially against short stacks, and there's no need to raise even occasionally for balance. Raising as a bluff might be profitable, but I think less profitable than playing make-a-hand.
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06-26-2016 , 09:21 AM
With those stack sizes and presumably weak players, I would call complete in the SB.
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06-26-2016 , 09:56 AM
Ha, calling pre is totally fine getting 11:1.
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06-26-2016 , 10:31 AM
Hope youre not seriously thinking about folding
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06-26-2016 , 10:41 AM
Your hand isn't good enough to squeeze a bunch of 1/2 villains OOP. It is good enough to see a flop given good direct and implied odds and a tight/passive BB.
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06-26-2016 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by andees10
Hope youre not seriously thinking about folding
He's thinking of raising or calling IMO otherwise this is the worst PAHWM ever
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06-26-2016 , 10:51 AM
Move along, there's nothing to see here...

Hero calls.
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06-26-2016 , 11:13 AM
I'm either really bad, my V's are really bad, or this is an OK hand to complete.
I complete here given table reads about 100% of the time.
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06-26-2016 , 11:28 AM
I'd call pf in this situation because of a couple of caveats. First, I'm not to going to stack off with TPNK. I'm not going to over play a made flush, either. Nor am I going to call if the BB raises. We only need to take down a $60 pot to make this quite profitable.
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06-26-2016 , 11:36 AM
how short are the short stacks bc i'd consider raising if they were more than 30 bigs, otherwise no one is ever folding
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06-26-2016 , 11:57 AM
What makes him look so incredibly interesting?
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06-26-2016 , 01:18 PM
Agreed preflop is not interesting. Calling is fine assuming Venice's points are adhered to (phone wants to call him Bernice). I'll actually advocate for a fold for players who have a hard time folding post flop. I say this because at passive tables you're going to run j to a lot more limped A/K high flushes. Hopefully I'm not describing myself though. Onward!


Quote:
Originally Posted by spikeraw22
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Preflop: Short stacked MP and MP2 limp. Big stack CO limps. Bad shorty Btn limps. Hero looks at Q8 knowing that BB is virtually never raising and....
Calls. Mr. Interesting checks.

Flop: Q83 ($12)
Hero...
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06-26-2016 , 01:32 PM
$10
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06-26-2016 , 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
I'm either really bad, my V's are really bad, or this is an OK hand to complete.
I complete here given table reads about 100% of the time.
All three might be true. Certainly at most tables I'm at they are.

Content: complete. (Although folding would make for an epic hh.)
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06-26-2016 , 02:09 PM
I was tempted to go for a big check raise but the whole worlds in the pot so I just lead for $10-12 and build build build
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06-26-2016 , 02:16 PM
Flop is too dry for a check raise to get called by anything that is not a set or 83.

Bet 12.
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06-26-2016 , 02:24 PM
This flop is so dry and hero's hand so good that if this wasn't 6 ways I might slow play flop. Leading into 5 opponents on such a dry flop looks strong but there is no reason to think anybody bets if hero doesn't and there are enough bad middle draws that giving the crowd a free card is bad.

I like lead $10.
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06-26-2016 , 02:32 PM
Complete SB.

Flop: lead 15. I size it a bit bigger bc implied odds matter more than pot odds here. Anyone w top pair is peeling, and gutter draws probably fold. Which sounds good to me. One player calls 10, everyone is sticking around, and would rather get this from 6 way to 2 or 3 way.
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06-26-2016 , 03:19 PM
How short are the short stacks?

My image tends to be strong when I lead out here, so if I bet, I'm more inclined to go smaller, something like $5, which might induce a light raise. If I check, I am probably not check-raising, but that doesn't mean I am checking the turn.
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06-26-2016 , 03:21 PM
Short stacks are all $100 +/- $10.
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06-26-2016 , 03:42 PM
$10 sounds good to me. Hand isn't strong enough to start slow playing with this many villains. If we get raised, we'll have a decision to make.
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06-26-2016 , 04:03 PM
I agree leading 10 is good and serves a few key purposes.

1. Gets value from Qx, JT, T9, J9 (of course we want gutters to call as an ~11:1 dog on the next card), etc. Bummer if people have nothing, but if people have nothing, there's just no value. And people tend to play pretty straightforward multi-way anyway.

2. Gets people to fold hands like weak pocket pairs that never put more money in unless they hit. If there are 3 low pocket pairs out there, 6 cards give hero bad post-flop RIO.

Main drawback to leading is hands that give us 1-2 streets of value from turn to river, like Ax and Kx for example, will often just fold.

I think second best is check/call flop followed by leading turn. That gives people a chance to pick up a bad top pair hand (turn A, K) or to pick up a weak flush draw giving you turn value as a 4:1 dog.

Honestly, check/raise is also an option and might be fine. I don't think it's an overplay with top two, and we might actually lol fold to a 3-bet. And if people want to say "but villains fold hands like KQ and QJ to a c/r," then go ahead and start making +EV c/r bluffs in this spot when you know there's a burned 8 and Q card blocking top and middle set and betting ranges are so Qx / other one-pair heavy.
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