Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > No Limit Hold'em > Live Low-stakes NL

Notices

Live Low-stakes NL Discussion of up to 3/5 live no-limit, pot-limit and spread-limit Texas Hold'em poker games, situations and strategies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-07-2012, 09:27 PM   #1
journeyman
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 222
PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

My first PAHWM... I think a couple interesting spots came up in this hand, so I'd like everyone's take street by street. Thanks.

_____________________________

Hero: (Covers)1/3NL on a Saturday night @ around 1am. Hero is playing well, mixing it up in different spots, almost always raising preflop, taking most pots down after a c-bet or a well-timed double barrel. Was up two BI until got overflushed playing suited connectors by a villain not involved in this hand. Q4cc > 98cc. This was about 20 hands ago. No signs of tilt apparent.

Villain: ($450) ~40 yo white guy. He plays rather straight forward. Only 1 hand notable between hero and villain. Hero raised AQ and villain called in position. Flop was K74cc. I c-bet he called. Turn was a K. I double-barreled, he min-raised, I obviously folded. I haven't seen him bluff or get out of line. A different hand when he flopped 2 pair against a different villain, he raised the flop on a coordinated board.

Limper: ($200) Scared money & terrible. Hadn't seen him raise preflop once. ~21 yo. Did a lot of l/c. Just rebought after l/c, c/c, c/c, c/c 2 pair vs better 2 pair. My target in this hand.

The hand:

Hero is in CO with K9

Pre-flop:

(Villain is on button. SB & BB are LP and have been folding to my button & CO raises a ton.)

Limper limps from MP2, Hero?
Accomplice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 09:35 PM   #2
adept
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,034
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

I have never played 1/3 so i dont know the appropriate preflop sizing but I probally raise to like $18 here.
fun101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 09:41 PM   #3
old hand
 
endodocdc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,212
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

Yeap, raise it up. It's nice having a straight-forward player to our left. I don't know the dynamics of this 1/3 table but I would be cautious to not over/under size the raise...Just raise it to whatever the standard has been at the table.

Pre seems pretty standard..Let's move to the interesting next step
endodocdc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 09:49 PM   #4
journeyman
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 222
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

I expected at least 1 fold pre.

____________________________

Hero: (Covers)1/3NL on a Saturday night @ around 1am. Hero is playing well, mixing it up in different spots, almost always raising preflop, taking most pots down after a c-bet or a well-timed double barrel. Was up two BI until got overflushed playing suited connectors by a villain not involved in this hand. Q4cc > 98cc. This was about 20 hands ago. No signs of tilt apparent.

Villain: ($450) ~40 yo white guy. He plays rather straight forward. Only 1 hand notable between hero and villain. Hero raised AQ and villain called in position. Flop was K74cc. I c-bet he called. Turn was a K. I double-barreled, he min-raised, I obviously folded. I haven't seen him bluff or get out of line. A different hand when he flopped 2 pair against a different villain, he raised the flop on a coordinated board.

Limper: ($200) Scared money & terrible. Hadn't seen him raise preflop once. ~21 yo. Did a lot of l/c. Just rebought after l/c, c/c, c/c, c/c 2 pair vs better 2 pair. My target in this hand.

The hand:

Hero is in CO with K9

Pre-flop:

(Villain is on button. SB & BB are LP and have been folding to my button & CO raises a ton.)

Limper limps from MP2, Hero raises to $15 (my standard raise), Villain OTB calls. Blinds fold. Limper calls.

No reads from either. Looked casual. Villain's range is 22+,AT+,sc. Limper could have anything

Flop: ($49) T93

limper checks, hero?

Last edited by Accomplice; 02-07-2012 at 10:00 PM.
Accomplice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 09:58 PM   #5
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4,006
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

Hero bets 30$
PokahBlows is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 09:59 PM   #6
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4,006
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

What was your plan preflop for the flop. Raise, Cbet and get folds?
PokahBlows is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 10:08 PM   #7
old hand
 
endodocdc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,212
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

Quote:
Originally Posted by Accomplice View Post
I expected at least 1 fold pre.

____________________________

Hero: (Covers)1/3NL on a Saturday night @ around 1am. Hero is playing well, mixing it up in different spots, almost always raising preflop, taking most pots down after a c-bet or a well-timed double barrel. Was up two BI until got overflushed playing suited connectors by a villain not involved in this hand. Q4cc > 98cc. This was about 20 hands ago. No signs of tilt apparent.

Villain: ($450) ~40 yo white guy. He plays rather straight forward. Only 1 hand notable between hero and villain. Hero raised AQ and villain called in position. Flop was K74cc. I c-bet he called. Turn was a K. I double-barreled, he min-raised, I obviously folded. I haven't seen him bluff or get out of line. A different hand when he flopped 2 pair against a different villain, he raised the flop on a coordinated board.

Limper: ($200) Scared money & terrible. Hadn't seen him raise preflop once. ~21 yo. Did a lot of l/c. Just rebought after l/c, c/c, c/c, c/c 2 pair vs better 2 pair. My target in this hand.

The hand:

Hero is in CO with K9

Pre-flop:

(Villain is on button. SB & BB are LP and have been folding to my button & CO raises a ton.)

Limper limps from MP2, Hero raises to $15 (my standard raise), Villain OTB calls. Blinds fold. Limper calls.

No reads from either. Looked casual. Villain's range is 22+,AT+,sc. Limper could have anything

Flop: ($49) T93

limper checks, hero?
bet 2/3 pot...about $35. I always bet 2/3 to PSB on flop, dpending on texture and player types involved...it's enough to build a pot quickly for when we hit a monster (our hand is well disguised).

We're not looking to fold any better hands here but rather maintain a strong initiative going into turn, with decent equity to boot. And if everyone folds, then nh

The only dynamic that could alter my line would be the Limper's tendencies. He is the target, afterall.
1) Is Limper more apt to overcall when button calls? or would he fold here with crap like gutshots, underpairs, BP?
2) How about if hero check and villain bets? Is Limper more likely to call in this scenario with the weakest part of his range?

I think it's important to consider Limper's tendencies before acting
endodocdc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 10:35 PM   #8
journeyman
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 222
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

Quote:
Originally Posted by PokahBlows View Post
What was your plan preflop for the flop. Raise, Cbet and get folds?
Yeah, pretty much. If it happens I flop a 9 as top pair, I'm ahead of most 9s. If I flop a flush draw I have a lot of equity to barrel with. I don't love my hand if I flop a K, but I c-bet anyway. I probably c-bet ~80% of the time.


Quote:
The only dynamic that could alter my line would be the Limper's tendencies. He is the target, afterall.
1) Is Limper more apt to overcall when button calls? or would he fold here with crap like gutshots, underpairs, BP?
2) How about if hero check and villain bets? Is Limper more likely to call in this scenario with the weakest part of his range?

I think it's important to consider Limper's tendencies before acting
These are good questions and ones I haven't/didn't give much thought to. Limper is on level 1, but scared. I don't think he'd call with gutshots. I'd exploited him a little, but not enough to play back at me. I doubt he'd call with bottom pair. He c/c with 2 pair, so a raise out of him would be ridiculously unexpected. If he called my c-bet I'd probably shut down against him unless I improved because I think Tx would be most of his range. Sure, there'd be some straight draws I'd miss value on, but a greater part of his range would be TP.
Accomplice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 10:43 PM   #9
journeyman
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 222
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

Hero: (Covers)1/3NL on a Saturday night @ around 1am. Hero is playing well, mixing it up in different spots, almost always raising preflop, taking most pots down after a c-bet or a well-timed double barrel. Was up two BI until got overflushed playing suited connectors by a villain not involved in this hand. Q4cc > 98cc. This was about 20 hands ago. No signs of tilt apparent.

Villain: ($450) ~40 yo white guy. He plays rather straight forward. Only 1 hand notable between hero and villain. Hero raised AQ and villain called in position. Flop was K74cc. I c-bet he called. Turn was a K. I double-barreled, he min-raised, I obviously folded. I haven't seen him bluff or get out of line. A different hand when he flopped 2 pair against a different villain, he raised the flop on a coordinated board.

Limper: ($200) Scared money & terrible. Hadn't seen him raise preflop once. ~21 yo. Did a lot of l/c. Just rebought after l/c, c/c, c/c, c/c 2 pair vs better 2 pair. My target in this hand.

The hand:

Hero is in CO with K9

Pre-flop:

(Villain is on button. SB & BB are LP and have been folding to my button & CO raises a ton.)

Limper limps from MP2, Hero raises to $15 (my standard raise), Villain OTB calls. Blinds fold. Limper calls.

No reads from either. Looked casual. Villain's range is 22+,AT+,sc. Limper could have anything

Flop: ($49) T93

limper checks, hero c-bets $30, villain thinks maybe 5 seconds before calling, limper folds

Turn: ($109) 5

hero?
Accomplice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 11:04 PM   #10
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4,006
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

60$ villain is straight forward we have no reason to check imo.
PokahBlows is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 11:11 PM   #11
old hand
 
endodocdc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,212
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

Quote:
Originally Posted by Accomplice View Post
Hero: (Covers)1/3NL on a Saturday night @ around 1am. Hero is playing well, mixing it up in different spots, almost always raising preflop, taking most pots down after a c-bet or a well-timed double barrel. Was up two BI until got overflushed playing suited connectors by a villain not involved in this hand. Q4cc > 98cc. This was about 20 hands ago. No signs of tilt apparent.

Villain: ($450) ~40 yo white guy. He plays rather straight forward. Only 1 hand notable between hero and villain. Hero raised AQ and villain called in position. Flop was K74cc. I c-bet he called. Turn was a K. I double-barreled, he min-raised, I obviously folded. I haven't seen him bluff or get out of line. A different hand when he flopped 2 pair against a different villain, he raised the flop on a coordinated board.

Limper: ($200) Scared money & terrible. Hadn't seen him raise preflop once. ~21 yo. Did a lot of l/c. Just rebought after l/c, c/c, c/c, c/c 2 pair vs better 2 pair. My target in this hand.

The hand:

Hero is in CO with K9

Pre-flop:

(Villain is on button. SB & BB are LP and have been folding to my button & CO raises a ton.)

Limper limps from MP2, Hero raises to $15 (my standard raise), Villain OTB calls. Blinds fold. Limper calls.

No reads from either. Looked casual. Villain's range is 22+,AT+,sc. Limper could have anything

Flop: ($49) T93

limper checks, hero c-bets $30, villain thinks maybe 5 seconds before calling, limper folds

Turn: ($109) 5

hero?
My initial inclination is to just bet turn again for 75-80. However, you do have history with villain where you double-barelled and folded to his turn raise, so he could be aware of this dynamic. Which means we should think through our turn plan well: Do we b/c , b/3b, c/c, c/r? ...obv I don't think folding is an option.

The one observation that, I think, is pretty pertinent here is this villain plays pretty straightforward..which means, if he raises you, it is rarely a thin/semibluff raise, which means you may have less FE (against his raising range) than you think you do. Something to consider.

Let's see how we fare against villain's turn raising range if we lead turn:

Villain's turn raising range is (99, TT, 33, 9Ts, 9To, JQ)

We have 26% equity against villain's proposed raising range. If we remove JQ our equity drops to 22%

In conclusion:

1) b/3b....not the best line as I don't think we have decent FE against his raising range
2) c/r.....same as above
3) c/c....I don't want to give up initiative + there's a good chance he will fold KT to a turn bet so checking is the worst option


So I think b/c $80 makes the most sense because if he raises to $200 (even though he has minraised before) we still have more equity than pot odds to call
endodocdc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 11:24 PM   #12
enthusiast
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 96
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

Quote:
Originally Posted by endodocdc View Post
My initial inclination is to just bet turn again for 75-80. However, you do have history with villain where you double-barelled and folded to his turn raise, so he could be aware of this dynamic. Which means we should think through our turn plan well: Do we b/c , b/3b, c/c, c/r? ...obv I don't think folding is an option.

The one observation that, I think, is pretty pertinent here is this villain plays pretty straightforward..which means, if he raises you, it is rarely a thin/semibluff raise, which means you may have less FE (against his raising range) than you think you do. Something to consider.

Let's see how we fare against villain's turn raising range if we lead turn:

Villain's turn raising range is (99, TT, 33, 9Ts, 9To, JQ)

We have 26% equity against villain's proposed raising range. If we remove JQ our equity drops to 22%

In conclusion:

1) b/3b....not the best line as I don't think we have decent FE against his raising range
2) c/r.....same as above
3) c/c....I don't want to give up initiative + there's a good chance he will fold KT to a turn bet so checking is the worst option


So I think b/c $80 makes the most sense because if he raises to $200 (even though he has minraised before) we still have more equity than pot odds to call
Yes, I like b/c. Get some money in there before the scare card comes and Vill shuts down.
TB27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2012, 11:28 PM   #13
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 4,127
I check/call on the turn. Let's us get value from his floats by inducing bluffs, and if he checks behind we can make a nice, thin v-bet on the river that he will call with a mid PP. I don't want to bet and have to call a raise.
Jeff76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2012, 12:10 AM   #14
journeyman
 
fishtofinaltable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 316
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

Quote:
Originally Posted by PokahBlows View Post
What was your plan preflop for the flop. Raise, Cbet and get folds?
I agree with this...

Now were shooting for the moon with a flush draw and middle pair, ready to bet/call off a large portion of our stack on a shot at the river.
fishtofinaltable is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2012, 12:11 AM   #15
grinder
 
elcebro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Russia
Posts: 566
Re: PAHWM: K9s from the CO 150BB deep

I'd go for c/c here.
elcebro is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive