$1-$3, great table of mainly drunk tourists and two or three weak spewy regs.

Hero, MAWG playing tight and mainly betting for value has $1,600.

Villian, 20 something WG has $300 and has only been playing for half an hour. My read is tight/nitty, thinking and paying attention. He has only played two sizeable hands which seemed standard for a tag/nit betting for value. Won one, lost one, even for the session.

Hero dealt JJ in the cutoff. Unusually it folds to hero who makes it $20 which is standard table raise sizing. Villain calls on the button, blinds fold.

I range him on all pocket pairs except AA and KK as I believe he would 3bet those 100% of the time. I think he also flats AK as well as most Broadway cards and suited connectors. I haven't been particularly active since he's sat down so I think my image is tightish but he appears to be thinking so he may widen my range because I'm in the cutoff.

Flop is 683 ~$45

Hero?

$25
next?

Also: Pre mght be too large depending on the reads on the sb/bb
We want at least one of them to call, not fold their weak ranges OOP.

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Straight forward bet situation, $25 looks good. Be happy if villain folds because things are going to be less tidy on the turn. This is the sort of board where every turn card except a J makes your situation worse to some degree.

is this a pahwm?

cbet 25 dollars

I bet $30

I don`t think so ..

I b/f small (40ish) on most turns besides the Ace.

25-30 with this and much of my range here.

The consensus is that this is a standard cbet against this villain. And that is my default strategy too. But I have been getting mixed results and hate bet folding and think that villains are started to play back against a cbet here too often.

So hero checks and villain bets $25

Hero ?

I check the flop in a hand like this more than anyone I know, but its not because people are playing back at me too much. Its for deception. 1/3 players and even 2/5 players are not bluff raising enough for you to worry about it. If youve gotten your Cbets raised a lot recently its coincidence.

Repeat after me......

"people are not picking on me"
"people are not playing back at me with nothing just because"

Opponent appears to be a straight-forward type, so I think betting for value is best.

If you feel he is a decent player, one that will not give you full value, try to extract 2 (as opposed to 3) streets. Flop should be 1st avenue.

As played, call. TT/99 and over card stabs are in his range that you dominate.

Who says we have to bet/fold the flop? If you think they're bluff raising your C-bets, we should bet-call flop for value.

AP, I call flop. check-raising is an overplay IMO and only gets called by better.

Hero bets $30~. I don't see much merit of checking flop. What's the turn?

I would have raised to $30 preflop if blinds are loose and sitting on those stacks, in order to get 10% of stacks in preflop and to setup an easy stack off situation postflop with an overpair.

Thanks to "table standard raise sizing" we've left ourselves in an awkward spot: OOP to an ok player with an awkward SPR of 6ish (one that will most likely require 3 postflop bets to go in for stacks, which Villain can easily force us to do, while unlikely paying off with worse).

Board is bone dry. I'm not really looking to play for stacks against this guy. I'd love a street to check thru. Underrepping our hand and getting two streets would be decent against this guy (although you could argue I'm losing value against TT-99 if he's capable of stacking off with those hands). So I'd lean towards a check on the flop.

ETA: Looks like I'm outvoted on both preflop and flop. Another benefit of checking and showing weakness is that (a) it sometimes gets air to take a stab at it in position (air that will most likely fold to a flop bet) and (b) if he's actually flopped a monster he might slowplay it / bet very small for value in order to not scare off our obvious weak A high hand. If a lot of bets start going into this pot, I think we're far better off having those bets go in weakly check/calling than betting against this guy. I like OPs flop check, and I now call.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I like chk/call with some overpairs on dry lo boards that miss my perceived range against laggier players I expect to stab a ton when checked to. This player doesn't seem to be a great candidate based on what we know so far.

In addition we have a strong mid pair with JJ but this, while dry, is a dynamic board. Plenty of turns will make it difficult to extract further value oop and/or X/c to to showdown accross multiple streets will be mostly a guessing game.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the read in op bet/fold seems fairly standard.

As played call since he should be betting PPs we beat for value and protection as well as some unmade hands.

Ok, my plan was to check raise to get over cards to fold and I assumed he would be betting his entire range when checked to. However, I lost confidence in my strategy mid hand and just called.

Turn 2 diamonds

Hero?

In general, I'm not opposed to a bet/fold line either. The problem in this case is that the SPR is so small that the Villain never has to raise in order for stacks to go in. I really think it is best that a street check thru in this case, and that ain't gonna happen if we bet the flop.

GimoG

Check/raising is overplaying our hand, imo. Again, my postflop plan is to do my best *not* to play for stacks here against this guy, because if we do, we're most likely losing. If he's got overcards, he's only got 6 outs (plus we can still suck out); he's a 7:1 dog to hit and he just offered himself rather poor odds to do so.

I would continue checking. We're doing a nice job of underrepping our hand and attempting to keep the pot small (as hard as this is with this SPR OOP). If he bets, I'm calling again; depending on board run out, I might donk/fold very small on the river, or depending whether I think he is capable of 3barrelling air check/call vs check/fold. If he checks, I'm most likely betting the river.

GcluelessNLnoobG

To clarify, my plan was to check raise fold with my specific holding on this flop because of the absence of draws that he would 3bet jam. Further, there are so few overpairs that I beat that I don't see him getting it in with worse very often.

2d is about as safe a card as you can get. 54 got there but if has that in his range for betting flop he has more hands you beat. Since you played it passive on the flop I would continue and check. Probably call if villain bets and betting most rivers if villain checks behind.

Betting is workable though. It folds out villain's over card air that otherwise takes the free card and it can get called by worse since it looks rather bluffy on this board and villain may be drawing to a straight or added a flush draw on the turn. The risk is that an aggressive opponent may raise, leaving you in an awkward situation.

The problem with this idea is that there is no reason for him to jam over your check/raise with his monsters. He can simply flat and easily play for stacks on the turn or river in position, as there'll only be about a PSB left. Heck, he could even expertly check back the turn and still play for stacks easily on the river.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Since you C/C flop, I'm ok with checking turn, especially if you think he will continue stabbing with hands like KQ. There are also more combos of overs than TT/99.

If turn checks through I'd lead most rivers. If he bets turn, call, then check / evaluate river.

Btw, with regard to C/R flop, folding over cards is not a good strategy. Those combos only have 6 outs, so you want them in from an equity standpoint. Potentially you can extract value later, e.g. if he stabs river.

Ok, I forgot to give pot size (~$90 after the rake)

I checked the turn planning on calling, villain bets $35

Hero?

Does anyone who likes checking the flop for deception and/or pot control play it differently with AA or if the board was wetter?