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08-10-2012, 12:14 AM
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#31
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The Situation
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: CA and Vegas
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
Raising preflop in this situation UTG with A7s (as someone recommended) is spewy. Easy flat pre given that , easy lead out post flop.
Since our villains are stationy and actiony its to our advantage to just lead the way.
#1 we get called by the stations
#2 Big Aces can spazz and raise us flop or turn
#3 Action players can spazz and make a move on us since pot is going to get juicy real quick.
So fast play, $30 lead out.
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08-10-2012, 12:29 AM
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#32
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adept
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Travelling EU, US and UAE
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
Lead 30
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08-10-2012, 01:15 AM
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#33
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,175
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
hurry up and get to the part where you bet, co calls and then btn or sb raises.
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08-10-2012, 02:10 AM
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#34
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct
Betting 30.
We will get looked up by AX, 68, 87, 76, 56, etc, I am looking to get value
Just read playertees post-
If The villain is capable of continuing firing barrels in large pots I don't mind it. But we should be focusing on CO
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This, betting that straight to the end, unless obvious draw become apparent
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08-10-2012, 02:13 AM
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#35
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,501
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
AT LEAST $30. i might overbet the pot. $35-40 is entirely reasonable. always bet big in spots like this with the pot limped.
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08-10-2012, 02:20 AM
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#36
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Funny, It Worked Last Time...
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
Preflop is marginal. We are oop to the fish and a good player. Plus the fish is short-stacked. I probably still limp along because SB is protecting the preflop action against a raise from the BTN. If the fish was in the blinds, I would prefer a raise.
AP bomb the flop.
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08-10-2012, 08:03 AM
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#37
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lolaware
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
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Originally Posted by sexdotcom
Preflop is marginal. We are oop to the fish and a good player. Plus the fish is short-stacked. I probably still limp along because SB is protecting the preflop action against a raise from the BTN. If the fish was in the blinds, I would prefer a raise.
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Glad someone's talking about preflop in my language.
On SB protecting from iso, though, our read is that BTN is "very good thinking player." SB's 3b's may temper BTN a little, but if he's a legitimately good player preflop, then he should be quite welcoming of SB 3b'ing a wide range OOP this deep. He can iso/call with J9s/A6s type hands and 4b a really wide range.
This might be giving BTN too much credit, so this kind of depends on how good this player is. Is he just very good as far as 1/3 Live games go?
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08-10-2012, 10:01 AM
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#38
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The Situation
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: I think Uncle Drew has Osteoporosis
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
Alright guys, onto the next street!
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
Relevant information:
1/3 NL, Table is currently 7 handed and very deep. It is about 2-230am and game has been running since 730pm
The cast:
Seat 1 (CO) is the main mark at the table. He is very stationy preflop, on the flop and the turn. His bet sizing is HUGE-i.e. opening to 70 with 1 limper. He is capable of going crazy bluffing or floating multiple streets. He is mostly passive with draws. He is capable of value betting thin, but I am unsure if he thinks he is bluffing or value betting sometimes. He is stuck ~3k and has about ~550 in front of him.
Seat 2 (BN)-A very good thinking player. Attacks limpers often and switches between a TAG and LAG game well. He is a capable hand reader and will make a read/plan and stick with it which occasionally gets him into bad spots (making advanced plays vs. non-thinking players1-2 times a session. Effective stack is ~1500
Seat 3(SB) - a dealer at the game who is playing tonight instead. He just came to the game around 1pm. He bought in for 1k and quickly has built his stack up to ~2k. He is usually very aggressive, limp raises a wide range when he thinks there is lots of dead money or is up against a weak range or exploitable player. I have seen him L/R straddled pots quite often. He is involved in just about every straddled pot whether it’s limping or raising to his standard of ~36. In addition to hero, he is typically the most active 3 better in this game. He hand reads reasonably well and his main weakness is not adjusting from his aggro LAG game to TAG when the game eventually adjusts. He likes to apply a lot of pressure, is capable of bluffing but usually has solid equity vs. the appropriate range(s) or has the goods. Effective stack ~2000
Seat 4 (BB)-Not relevant
Seat 5(UTG-Hero)-Hero has a LAG image. Bought in for 500 and has added on 3x for a total of 1500. Has never had stack below 800, currently has about 3400 and covers table. I have showed/ gotten caught in 2-3 bluffs tonight. Just a few minutes prior vs. SB- I cbet flop, checked turn and raised river (post oak bluff sizing) with a busted gutshot-I was called and mucked my hand. Overall I have a winning image but can be crazy at times. I rarely ever limp, but since SB sat down I have limped a bit so I can call his wide preflop raises instead of getting blown out of pots by his constant 3 betting. I have only limped suited Aces 2-9, but none of these have made it showdown. I think that villain thinks I am limping small PPs or SCs/1 gapper type hands (which I have actually been opening).
Seat 6 (UTG+1) - Passive NIT, effective stack 500
Seat 7 (MP/HJ) Not relevant to hand
On to the hand: I don’t think preflop is super interesting and raising or folding are both options, but I have my reasons listed in the reads above to just call.
Button straddles 6
SB calls 6
BB folds
Hero calls 6 with A7dd
UTG1 calls 6
CO calls 6
BN checks his option
Decision 1:
Flop- Pot is ~39
A h 7c 5d
Checks to hero who?
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Hero bets 40, folds to CO who calls 40 quickly, BN folds, SB calls 40
Decision 2, effective stacks sb~1955, CO~504:
Turn-Pot is 159
Ah 7c 5d 4c
SB checks, Hero?
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08-10-2012, 10:04 AM
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#39
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The Situation
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
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Originally Posted by sexdotcom
Preflop is marginal. We are oop to the fish and a good player. Plus the fish is short-stacked. I probably still limp along because SB is protecting the preflop action against a raise from the BTN. If the fish was in the blinds, I would prefer a raise.
AP bomb the flop.
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I definitely see merit in raising preflop and I very rarely limp. The fish is super bad and I want to see as many flops as possible with him. I dont want to bloat the pot too much OOP where one of the other good players can squeeze me out of the pot. I have a hand that can make nut flushes so I definitely want to see the flop here.
Aso the fish (CO) is not shallow. He started the hand with a little under 100bb due to the $6 straddle.
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08-10-2012, 10:06 AM
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#40
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2009
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
probably b/f $80-85, depending on what a raise from stationy CO means (i can't determine that from reads provided)
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08-10-2012, 10:07 AM
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#41
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The Situation
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: I think Uncle Drew has Osteoporosis
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
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Originally Posted by surviva316
Glad someone's talking about preflop in my language.
On SB protecting from iso, though, our read is that BTN is "very good thinking player." SB's 3b's may temper BTN a little, but if he's a legitimately good player preflop, then he should be quite welcoming of SB 3b'ing a wide range OOP this deep. He can iso/call with J9s/A6s type hands and 4b a really wide range.
This might be giving BTN too much credit, so this kind of depends on how good this player is. Is he just very good as far as 1/3 Live games go?
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Although this game is 1/3 the good players are not 1/3 calaber players-the fish are what you'd expect or worse.
The best player in the game ( I'd say I'm 2nd best out of the 40-50 that play here) was a winner as high as 50/100NL.
The BN is a big 2/5 winner, but if he had the BR he would beat 5/10 for a good rate.
One reason that BN may not raise is because he doesn't want to get sqeezed by sb which may let the CO off the hook pre.
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08-10-2012, 10:09 AM
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#42
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2009
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
I definitely see merit in raising preflop and I very rarely limp.
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this is a myth that needs to be dispelled (that you should be raising mostly when you enter pots in live low-stakes games). i limp ALL the f***ing time. limping plays a huge and important role in your live play.
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08-10-2012, 10:11 AM
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#43
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banned
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,418
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Hero B/F 90, crying because I fear a C/R either here or OTR from SB.
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08-10-2012, 10:40 AM
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#44
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adept
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: NJ
Posts: 961
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
Bet $85, call or fold is dependent on the raiser. Straights made it, however still a bunch of Aces that we're crushing.
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08-10-2012, 10:43 AM
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#45
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The Situation
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,018
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Re: PAHWM: A7dd in a Straddled Pot
Quote:
Originally Posted by miamicheats
Alright guys, onto the next street!
Hero bets 40, folds to CO who calls 40 quickly, BN folds, SB calls 40
Decision 2, effective stacks sb~1955, CO~504:
Turn-Pot is 159
Ah 7c 5d 4c
SB checks, Hero?
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Does sb have c/r bluff turns in his range? Or is he more aggressive pre/otf and multiway he will shut down later in the hand? That may change this suggested action for me, but I like b/f ~$90.
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