Hero has been playing for a couple hours now with no noteworthy hands. Haven't shown down any hands, been playing TAG.

Villain has been raising fairly often in early positions and hasn't shown down many hands but has been bleeding chips since I sat down.

Villain($650) is UTG and raises to $20. It's folded around to Hero($800) who three bets to $65 with 89 diamonds. Both blinds fold.

Flop is 57J rainbow with one diamond, pot ($137).
Villain checks, Hero checks.

Turn is 6d, pot ($137)
Villain checks, Hero bets $105 with nut straight/backdoor diamonds, Villain calls

Turn is 2d, pot ($347)
Villain checks, Hero bets $310

1. Regardless of the result, was the check on the flop a mistake and why?
2. His flatting the turn polarized his range to a PP or top pair, maybe DD. With that being said, what is a good river bet? I thought he may call lightly with almost any pair given my line and tried to make my river bet look more like a bluff.

1. No.
2. Wut? Why does his flat rule out QT, JT, AJ, KJ, 46? Remember, your read on him is that he's a fish without an understanding of position.

It doesn't rule out those hands you listed other than q10. I think he calls with any pair on the turn, at worse two overs.

I think firing the flop on this board is more profitable...Thoughts?

3b pre just button clicking.

Flop is a mistake to not cbet. Amazing board for you.

Threebet seems pointless.

Absolutely bet flop, check is a strange choice. You don't have anything to show down. It's hard for opponent to have anything to c/r you with on this board and if he does c/r it's not a big deal to let it go, you're not in great shape vs a set.

River seems like too much. You're most likely up against a one pair hand here. I'd just bet 200. 310 is an amount where I think you're going to override that "sigh I guess I'm beaten, CALL" thing that fish do.

1)When you choose to 3 bet a hand like 8-9 suited and flops as good as a double gutter with it, i think C-betting the flop is pretty mandatory-and it fits in very nicely in an overall C-betting strategy. Both because you wanna deny your opponent his equity, for example if he have AQ he is gonna be forced to fold the flop- but if you check behind you give him the chance of binking top pair top kicker on the turn.

Also you want to build a bigger pot, so that you can more easily stack the guy when you bink the turn/river like you did in this hand.


2)The riverbet seems too big in relative dollar amounts,and probably gets too many sigh folds from huge parts of his range. Sure, in theory you could say that you bet big to make it look more like a bluff: but in reality huge bets gets too many folds from to many hand combos in his range.

How often do you take this line as a bluff for example? 3 bet pre, check the flop back in position,bet turn and almost pot the river? My guess would be close to zero based on population tendencies.For instance, ff youre gonna bluff youre more likely to C-bet the flop, where your own range is more open/undefined after 3 betting pre, and fold equity is usually higher.

I don't mind 3 betting on occasion with this hand, but not vs early position raisers. I would also like some info on pre flop and post flop tendencies. Otherwise, it seems like a very standard call in position.

Flop is just a mandatory c bet, double gutter with no showdown value, often wins the pot right there, etc...

River seems too big to me. $250 would be the max I would bet. Personally I'd bet $220. I think with your bet size you're kind of setting yourself up with a negative free roll, he calls or raises with a higher flush and folds almost everything else.

What's your BTN 3bet range in this spot?

Vs a positionally unaware fish who's opening wide and calling 3bets too wide (presumably the situation), I'd be 3betting something like this:

88+, A9s+, A5s-A4s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AQo+

On the flop the choice between betting and checking are probably pretty close. I think checking is probably fine, but I'd lean towards betting making more money in the long run.

The turn is definitely a bet, nothing really to discuss

Def bet-calling river with your sizing, but I'd probably overbet jam for his last $480 in practice

I'm probably not 3betting a fish who can't fold pre with 9 high. As played this is a 3 barrel hand


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Your ISOing a positionally unaware fish, 200bb deep, in position w/ a hand that realizes equity very well. Its a good play, and almost certainly makes substantially more money than calling.

I guess I can agree with the principal of isolating the fish in general.

However, I'm shifting my 3b range vs a player like this toward a linear value-heavy range. If he's a fish who can't fold then he's paying off my speculative hand anyway and I don't like inflating the pot with 9 high when the plan is to make him fold with a 3b bluffing hand.


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I actually don't think the 3! pre is as bad as people say, but definitely lean towards not doing it. Rather not 3! an UTG open, and also rather 3! with more dead money in. But since you said he's been opening a lot in EP, it's not as bad as people are making it out to be. Does he have a fold button at least?

Pretty clear flop bet. We have a gutshot to the nuts, BDFD. Can barrel any Ace. That is about 15 cards we can barrel.

River bet is probably too big. While our hand is super disguised, we are just targeting a narrow range that will call off a huge river bet.

Is Villain a station? Is that why we are sizing so big? If he is, then 3! a station light is probably not the most profitable as we won't have as much fold equity.

Villain has been opening way too frequently in EP so I can ISO him. I realize my mistake was checking the flop (regardless of the result). I have no show down value and a ton of equity on the flop. He definitely plays ABC poker so it should've been an easy bet on the flop. Definitely bet turn with the nuts and value the river. Bet 85 on the flop, 115 on the turn, 170 on the river?

I think, even though he has been opening frequently from EP, we have to try to note a few things before we jump to conclusions. I.e. does he have a fold button (preflop and/or postflop). If he is sticky, then even if he is opening light, he can be a station and we can be burning some money trying to 3! him light.

also we need some confirmation that he is opening light other than just his frequency. we've only been there a couple hours, we can't jump to conclusions. have we seen showdowns?

i think these factors will really play into how ok preflop is.