Horrible turn card.

What does he expect us to have? Kx, Qx, Flush draws?

We flatted his bet on the flop - we have a TAG image, would he expect us to have a K? Possibly, he may assume we'd raise with it though. I'm more inclined to say that our flat under reps our hand on the flop but could definitely therefore be repping a Q. Yet he still fires out a pot sized bet.

Are we drawing dead?

Horrible spot.

Does he donk on flop with flush draw, Kx, Qx. Possibly. With 44? I doubt it, he would probably check raise.

It looks like Qx here in which case we're only 25% (and 0% if it's Q4).

I think I would fold here and curse the poker gods. I'm all for the flat on flop to bring in v2, and underrep our hand, plus we'd only really be called by better (or maybe JTcc). It's a shame a Q came on the turn. So yeah, a fold from me.

What do I know though I only play 1/2...

I think we all agree not much value in a raise as we only get it in bad unless he has JTcc which with the board pairing might be reluctant to get it in.

Without a strong read on his tendencies I think folding is a little too nitty, while I have KK in my range, AKcc is still pretty close to the top. QQ/44 probably get raised on the flop most of the time, and I would probably play a mix of calls and raises with KK.

Turn ($241) Kd Qc 4c Qs
V1 bets $230, Hero calls $230

River ($701) Kd Qc 4c Qs 8c
V1 looks visibly disgusted with the river and checks, Hero ???

About 600-650 left in effective stacks. I think the options here are bet pot (all-in), bet small, or check.

Shove. It's pretty hard for V to put H on a flush, and you may look like you're holding AKo and trying to fold out Qx. V's non-Q value hands probably aren't calling any size bet, so we need to extract from his Qx hands. I think anything around 1/2 pot size is going to look insanely like a value bet here, and the shove is even more likely to be called by worse.

Shove River get paid

shove river and let villain level himself into a call.

I am also in shove camp. Gets called less often, but makes so much more when it does, even given a few combos of boats. Reverse tells are rare, so I suspect he really does hate the club draw coming in, but 1) if it is a reverse tell, he's just as likely overflushed as boated and 2) shove often looks bluffier.

I agree with shove. For the reasons mentioned above. I think it's hard for you to have a flush, and of V does have a Q he talks himself into a call.

Shove.

Wow, late to this PAHWM

flop is really close between flat and raise, I think arguments are good for either/or, I like a flat as I want V2 in the hand as well and will hate life if I blast V1 off of some weaksauce Kx hand.

Turn is a call

River, I like a jam, I love the emotional war within as a player knows he's 100% beat but then calls anyways just to confirm he is beat. Also V does have lessor flush draws in his range as well that are never folding. Sucks if we run into a boat, but overall, a wide range of hands can/will make the emotional call and we get to bend over lesser flushes which is always fun

Grunch

So you were UTG+1 in a full game? I would raise bigger pre-flop since you'll be OOP against all but the straddle.

So pre-flop SPR is ~10 and you have just flopped TP+NFD. NFD makes me lean toward a call since there's little risk we hit our hand and lose a big pot. TP on top of NFD makes want to get money into the pot. If we call this bet and V2 folds we will have a $241 pot and about $800 behind so not too hard to gii, especially since we have position on V1.

Given V1's aggressive tendencies I am ok with calling here and hoping he bets the turn too. If we hit our draw great, but I'm ok with committing unless V2 makes a big raise and then I would re-evaluate.

Bahh looks like I got 2/3 right.

Results: Shove is definitely the better play and I knew it in my gut, but I went with a small bet of $275 and villain folded after maybe 20 seconds or so.

While I have a decent amount of hours in at 2/5, I don't have a lot of experience playing 200bb deep so I'll be trying to post more interesting deep stack spots I get into. (Even though you can argue this is a 100bb effective hand because of the straddle)

Agree with the majority of flatting flop, as played, seems standard.

I agree with the idea that reverse tells in that type of situation are super rare. For that same reason, it seems to show how unlikely he is to be calling a shove. Unless he is visibly/verbally showing a willingness to call and you have seen him makes calls in situations where he realizes that he is beat but calls anyway I like betting 275. In my experience readless, in terms of his likelihood to call in this type of spot the majority of villains call smaller, 1/2ish psb in this case than would call a psb shove.

as to river bet sizing, villain never has Qx here, he wouldn't donk the flop into two players, so if he has a Q its KQ or Q4, neither of which is ever checking the river as played. So you have the best hand always, betting $250 screams value bet.

Next time take a bit and shove. Honestly it's hard to get called on that run out regardless, but I'd certainly "try" to look bluffy.

and I think the call on flop is fine/best given where you opened from pre.

^how does V never have a Q? He's an aggressive player who likes to put people under pressure, and his bet on the turn suggests he has better than just a K - especially as hero just flats the flop bet.

Agree with shove on river though