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Old 02-22-2012, 07:23 PM   #46
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2: QQ on a crazy table

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The biggest mistakes made in holdem are with big pairs and AK/AQ. Most can't b/f they always level themselves to call. Its a reason why you don't want to bloat the pot up pre vs bad players. Wait till you have the flop information to do that.

Raising huge makes stacks awkward also, we are forced to call donk bets or commit with an overpair, in low stakes big raises do not discourage less callers. It will still be 3-4way. That's 75-100 pot otf in a 1/2 game. Sounds like danger zone to me.
In your games does not a raise to $18 or $20 usually thin the field to 1 or 2 callers, where a raise to $10 or $12 usually go 4-5 ways? This is the case in most the games I play in and therefore the SPR's are the same but vs. 2 or 3 more people.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:34 PM   #47
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2: QQ on a crazy table

So what happened? Did hero fall asleep during the hand? Dealer announce a misdeal? Hero folds face up?
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:08 PM   #48
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2: QQ on a crazy table

V1(UTG): Young guy in his late twenties. He is playing fairly loose passive preflop and postflop altho he will fold postflop to alot of betting. He has finished atleast 10 beers and looks like he is having alot of fun. He had $650 3 hours ago and it seems like he is slowly chipping down by calling too much preflop and calling flop bets with medium strength hands to fold on the turn.
Sitting with $250

V2(SB): Middle aged white guy in his early forties. Pothead, he told the table he quits his session a maximum of one hour after his last joint. He goes out every little while to light one up. He plays fairly loose passive pre and FoF post. He is on the tight side for this table tho. Sitting with $130

Hero (UTG): definatly one of the tighter guys at the table. Not super tight tho. I am one of the few ppl at the table who is not drinking. I think villain saw me pull a big bluff unsuccessfully 4 hours earlier (I am not sure he remembers with all the alcohol). I am playing pretty FoF postflop but i also doubt he notices this. I am in for $1Kish (again I am not sure if he knows) and am sitting with $580.

We are playing the 72 game (7/9 the 9 players are playing including myself), its $10/person if someone wins with 72 and shows. We are also playing win and show one which means if u win w/o showdown u have to show one card.

We just did a $25/person roll'em and 9/10 people participated. This means everyone puts $25 in pre and we check it down, best hand at showdown wins. The biggest fish at the table (who is in the game for >2K) won the roll'em and is sitting with $800 in the CO.

Hero is dealt QQ
V1 limps, Hero raises to $20, MP calls, CO calls, V2 calls, V1 calls

Flop is J98r (pot=$102)
V2 checks, V1 leads for $40, Hero calls, folds to V2 who shoves for $110 total, V1 reshoves for $230 total, Hero folds
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:58 PM   #49
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2: QQ on a crazy table

Okay, earlier I began questioning small raise vs. big raise, after I stated that a large raise was better.

I now am certain that a larger open would have been more beneficial. You said the game was loose and wild, and playing like a 2/5 and deep. So yeah, SPR aside, larger PFR raise would've been better.

Recall what V's went to showdown with?

As played I'd have certainly folded in this same spot.

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Old 02-24-2012, 10:37 AM   #50
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2: QQ on a crazy table

V2 had 88
V1 had T7s
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:38 PM   #51
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V2 had 88
V1 had T7s
You raised to 20 and still got 88 and 107 to call. Do you think if you raised 25/35 villains in the hand fold?

I doubt it, that's why its best to keep the pots small preflop.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:53 PM   #52
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2: QQ on a crazy table

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I like the$25-$40 preflop raise..as played raise to 100-110 and be prepare to gamble
Call and look for a low blank, then raise turn big..........
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:55 PM   #53
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2: QQ on a crazy table

Yeah, looks like I'd have been fine there
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:08 PM   #54
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2: QQ on a crazy table

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You raised to 20 and still got 88 and 107 to call. Do you think if you raised 25/35 villains in the hand fold?

I doubt it, that's why its best to keep the pots small preflop.
they made a mistake calling 20. If they called $25-35 itwould be a bigger mistake for them which is profitable for us (ie: getting more value).
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:33 PM   #55
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You raised to 20 and still got 88 and 107 to call. Do you think if you raised 25/35 villains in the hand fold?

I doubt it, that's why its best to keep the pots small preflop.
This is really, really results oriented. I'll take 88 and T7 calling my big pre flop bets all day long, especially if we end up with a low SPR. What do you think T7 is doing on a T35 flop? Or heck, even JT6 flop? He's going to flop a second best hand to us a whole lot more often than we will to him. And he'll stack off more easily the bigger the pot is. And when he misses the flop, we got him to invest a lot more before folding. Sure multiple callers is high variance with an overpair, but that's the game you're in.

And raising for value and folding getting something like 4:1 is terrible. If you don't even have a 20% shot at the pot you don't need to be raising. No one's raise is so defining that it makes a profitable raise become a fold getting 4:1.
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