V1(UTG): Young guy in his late twenties. He is playing fairly loose passive preflop and postflop altho he will fold postflop to alot of betting. He has finished atleast 10 beers and looks like he is having alot of fun. He had $650 3 hours ago and it seems like he is slowly chipping down by calling too much preflop and calling flop bets with medium strength hands to fold on the turn.
Sitting with $250

V2(SB): Middle aged white guy in his early forties. Pothead, he told the table he quits his session a maximum of one hour after his last joint. He goes out every little while to light one up. He plays fairly loose passive pre and FoF post. He is on the tight side for this table tho. Sitting with $130

Hero (UTG): definatly one of the tighter guys at the table. Not super tight tho. I am one of the few ppl at the table who is not drinking. I think villain saw me pull a big bluff unsuccessfully 4 hours earlier (I am not sure he remembers with all the alcohol). I am playing pretty FoF postflop but i also doubt he notices this. I am in for $1Kish (again I am not sure if he knows) and am sitting with $580.

We are playing the 72 game (7/9 the 9 players are playing including myself), its $10/person if someone wins with 72 and shows. We are also playing win and show one which means if u win w/o showdown u have to show one card.

We just did a $25/person roll'em and 9/10 people participated. This means everyone puts $25 in pre and we check it down, best hand at showdown wins. The biggest fish at the table (who is in the game for >2K) won the roll'em and is sitting with $800 in the CO.

Hero is dealt QQ
V1 limps, Hero ???

options
1) open for a small amount ($10-15): we are going to see the flop 6 ways+ guareenteed but atleast we arent bloating the pot too much. This is one of the worst option IMO b/c we are missing out on sooo much value and being multiway with an overpair sucks.
2) open for a medium amount ($16-22): probally 4 ways to the flop. Still pretty much guarentees that the big fish is in the hand. More value but we are still going multiway to the flop
3) open big ($22+): probally 3 ways to the flop but we are really bloating the pot which might lead to some tough spots post. Also we arent guarenteed that the big fish will call. We do get alot of value from worse hands this way tho.
4) Limp/reraise: most pots are raised on this table so we could try the contraversial limp/reraise line. I did not think of this at the time but thinking back I think its a good option.

Sorry for the long post.

raise to 25

Whatever you do, don't limp reraise, if u r sure ur sizing won't give away the strength of ur hand, then go for the max u can get...I think 20 sounds right, u get 3-4 callers, and evaluate SPR depending on who calls.

Just on a side note, u need to have a plan for the hand, if i was in ur place, i would be planning to play a big pot. You can always play poker postflop and use ur edge...

And please tell me you didn't participate in the 25 roll'em thing

raise to 20 (mostly) or limp/rr (occasionally) are fine IMO

You're sitting deep (290 BB). V1 and V2 are calling wide pre and V1 is loose post, and V2 is FoF post. If I'm at a full table, with wild players, with some side action BS going on, I'm raising big. If raising $20+ is going to get you to a flop with two callers or HU, I'm throwing out $25 and taking two villains.

That's going to put $25x3+$2BB=$77 pot PF.

If you do option 1 (or 2) as you put it, and you raise to $15, and get 4 or more callers, you're going to be playing a good hand way OOP with a pot that's the same size or bigger which is much worse unless you flop a queen. If 4+ callers are going to pop for a $15 raise, you can be sure some will have Ace-rag, and it'll be hard to navigate post-flop.

If you limp-reraise, your hand is pretty face up, and you're going to have to 3-bet even bigger than $25 to generate folds. If it limps around, you're going to have to donk OOP on the flop to get information.

Thinning the field early with a monster, even OOP, is the best option. Some will put you on AK, etc, or they might just not even think that much. If the fop contains an overcard, I'd feel confident in firing a healthy 60-90% pot sized bet on the flop into two Villains but it's going to be tougher to fire that bet and feel good about it with 5 or 6 villains.

We don't have the rest of the table's stack sizes. So, our raise size...according to setting up spr....is still in flux.

If $25+ gets a caller, I'm in for the larger raise. So much easier to play post flop. I don't want more than 2 others, if possible.

This is playing like my home games for nickles and dimes. They all buy in short and wonder why I jump in for 10x raises. Well, sillies, it's because 5x raises bring family pots. Bring in for max value and let them think they can't fold KQ/AT type hands because they are just "too good to not see a flop with...even for that raise."

Raise to $40. The entire table will immediately put you on 72. Be prepared to 4-bet when someone plays back at you.

and I did participate in the $25 rollem. Sure its slightly -EV ($5 max rake) but showing that I have no gamble sucks for image + gambling is fun

A 25$ bet at 1/2 is really betting too much. Why so much? When you open 25/20 in a 1/2 game your increasing the blinds. Your actually making a 2/5 raise. So 585$ becomes 117bbs. Its not smart planning.

Raise 10-12$ range.

This game plays like 2/5 except with smaller blinds. A $10-12 raise is just a pot builder and the flop will probally be seen like 8 ways so i do not think this is the right thing to do.

What's happens you bet 25 get 3 callers, are you b/f flops when you bet say 55$ otf?

I'm interested in what you're saying, I want to learn. We raised to $20 and now we're 5 way to the flop with a large pot, and the board is pretty wet.

If we raise to $12 we're still deeper, we might have had more callers, but we've got deeper SPR. Are you saying that at a wild table such as this, a large raise is not better if it thins the field? I'm not doubting, I just would like you to elaborate.

depends on the board texture, villains stack sizes and villain playing styles but often yes i will bet/fold $55 on the flop.

given the fact that we got 5 callers made me realize that I did not bet enough preflop IMO.

I think a smaller raise gives us more options for the hand. Raising 25/20 getting 3-5 players is still a bad spot oop imo. Say we bet 20 get 5 callers, Bet 50otf we are going to be committed with a turn barrel. If we raise 10 get 5-6 callers. We can cbet 30 and barrel most turn cards without committing ourselves.

Also,If your not getting the hand HU with a 25/20 bet then I see no point in making a large raise.