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02-26-2015 , 04:13 PM
Standard 2/5 live game raise to $15 from MP with T T. Blinds call. SB is solid ABC player but have seen him get all in light. BB is usually tight but seems to be losing and splashing around more. Effective stacks $500.

Hero: T T
Flop ($45): 9 6 3
SB: Leads for $50, BB calls.

I hate calling here because there is literally NO good turn card. So only options are folding or raising. Is folding too weak? With a set I would more expect a CR from SB and if BB had a set he'd probably raise given the drawy board. I expect to see a 9, flush draws, overcards with the A, 78 etc. all of which we're ahead of.

Is raise/get it in viable?

Will post results tomorrow thank you
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02-26-2015 , 04:32 PM
Call. You have position. Make good turn/river decisions.
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02-26-2015 , 05:30 PM
Call and play pokerz on the turn
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02-26-2015 , 05:33 PM
Notes: Just curious, what is a "standard" 2/5 live game? I don't play 2/5 so I'm really not sure what this means.

PF: OK

F: (3) handed. Pot is $45. SPR is 11. So SB leads pot and BB calls, WTF? I'd raise for value here. I'd raise to $150 and fold if either re-raises.

What kind of hands could the SB have that do this: 99, 66, 33, AQhh, AJhh, Axhh, Kxhh, JJ, 87, 45.

What kind of hands could the BB have that cold call: AQhh, AJhh, Axhh, JJ, 87, 45. I doubt BB has a set here becasue he probably raises to protect from the flush/straight draws.
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02-27-2015 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pocketzeroes
Call. You have position. Make good turn/river decisions.
+1. Pretty much this. You are probably best but far from nutted with stacks deep enough that you should be careful about getting it in at this point against relatively tight players.

Villains seem straight forward enough. You have position. A bet on the turn commits the next bettor to play for stacks. I suspect V's will honestly tell you on the next street whether they have it or not, and you won't have to commit any more capital before the new information arises.

You aren't in such great shape until the turn bricks anyway.

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 02-27-2015 at 05:49 PM.
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02-27-2015 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by whirledpeas
I expect to see a 9, flush draws, overcards with the A, 78 etc. all of which we're ahead of.
This should be the bulk of both ranges, but a solid V slightly over bet the pot OOP after basically cold calling pre. Sets are a possibility for SB. His checking a monster would have been unlikely given the draws on the board. He may be betting big with a draw to scare people off but a convincing second barrel vs. a three way field would be expensive.
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02-27-2015 , 05:55 PM
And watch BB's, 2nd to act, reaction the river card. I think we are likely to get physical read if he hits a draw.
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02-27-2015 , 06:08 PM
Call. Reevaluate on turn card and villains' actions. You have position and don't want to open yourself up to a reraise. Would you call if one of the blinds reraise shoves? That's a tough spot you don't want to be in.
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03-02-2015 , 10:43 AM
I raised to $150, SB shoved, BB folded I called. He had 6 9. Turn was one of the worst cards in the deck K river was a blank and he held.

This is why I don't like raising either - because the raise commits us to the hand...if he has a big draw he's going to call the raise and almost any turn is bad. Not being results oriented but I think just folding and waiting for a better spot, though it seems weak is the best play. Sometimes in poker you just have to wait for the right situation - this was not it.
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03-02-2015 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by whirledpeas
because the raise commits us to the hand...if he has a big draw he's going to call the raise and almost any turn is bad.
A raise does not commit you to the hand. When the SB who is a "solid ABC player" re-raises we are beat. We can certainly fold. When we raise to $150, we've only put in 33% of our stack. We are not committed; we can fold.

Note: We now know that SB is not a "solid ABC player" if he call with 96o in the SB.
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03-03-2015 , 09:18 AM
There are good turn cards. A low card that shows up on the turn wouldn't worry me at all, especially after we raised pf and only tight players called (tight players tend to fold low cards). Also even if an overcard shows up, it will often miss our opponents and they will often play more passively, which could get us to showdown or maybe even give us a chance to bluff depending on the situation.

I don't see what's wrong with calling and waiting for the turn. We can gather very valuable info instead of making a really nitty fold on the flop when we're sometimes ahead.
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