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Optimal Line w 99 in Live 2/5 Optimal Line w 99 in Live 2/5

07-23-2014 , 11:40 AM
Full ring, 10 way, 2/5:

Hero: 2000
Villain: 1400
Limper: 600

Limper limps UTG+1, Hero raises UTG+3 to 25 with 9h9s. Villain (UTG+4) flats, folds to limper who calls. UTG+4 is good playing, Asian male, ~27 y.o. Limper is semi-Crasian male, ~27 y.o.

Flop Kh7s5c. Limper checks, hero bets 55 (same bet he's bet folded a couple times in previous hands). Villain thinks for a second and flats, limper folds.

Turn 6h. Hero?
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07-23-2014 , 11:51 AM
What are some reads on villains?? Any history?? What is Hero's image??
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07-23-2014 , 11:58 AM
Villain is good player. Solid TAG. Doesn't make tons of mistakes, but is capable of calling c-bets with smaller pieces. Villain made one impressive check-raise on turn into two people earlier with flopped combo. Took down pot with river ship and then showed. Other than that, just a solid tag player.

Limper is just somewhat LAG and just bad. Given that he didn't raise here, if he completely misses, he'll likely click fold.

Hero has similar image to Villain. Hero just stacked other player with second nuts 10 hands earlier. Hero also showed couple c-bet shut downs as well as check-folds. Pretty winning image.
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07-23-2014 , 12:11 PM
U answered you own question then. He likely has a k or TT-QQ. No flush draw for him to be calling u w, nor is there any logical straight draw.

A7s is the absolute bottom of his range imo. Check & see what he does here
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07-23-2014 , 12:19 PM
A5, 87, 65, 54 not in range here? Perhaps even floating? He's smart and think he was of the mentality of looking for a spot with me as I was the only one near his stack size and didn't seem concerned about limper. He explicitly moved seats directly to my left an hour earlier.

As played, I read it as this and check called 125. I didn't plan it quite well, but intent was to double check call assuming no scare cards on river or bet an 8 or K as I thought it was in his two pair range and wasn't sure he'd value bet there necessarily + thought I could make it seem bluffy. In hindsight I should've counted on bluffing the three-flush as well. River eventually came perfect 8 and I got 355 out of him - he said he had two pair. I'm just really questioning my line.
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07-23-2014 , 12:22 PM
I'm barreling again on the turn and betting out about $120...firing out again on river if A, 8, or 9 comes out and probably checking anything else.

Betting turn should be able to get out TT-QQ, Kx type hands...checking back, you're allowing these hands to continue and most likely will be facing a decision to call on turn or river.

Good players will often float the flop but shut down on turn when bet into again if weak. If he's capable of floating both streets to bluff you off on river when weak...I'd move seats and get position on him.
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07-23-2014 , 12:24 PM
Previous response was written before results came out....
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07-23-2014 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OSUTexan
I'm barreling again on the turn and betting out about $120...firing out again on river if A comes out and probably checking anything else.

Betting turn should be able to get out TT-QQ, Kx type hands...checking back, you're allowing these hands to continue and most likely will be facing a decision to call on turn or river.

Good players will often float the flop but shut down on turn when bet into again if weak. If he's capable of floating both streets to bluff you off on river when weak...I'd move seats and get position on him.
That's totally where my head was at after the hand - I think I should've barreled the turn. Thing that concerned me most given that the limper was out was his ability to raise with nonsense on the turn with a connected (and now two-flushed) board. All that said, I did have the nutblocker...
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07-23-2014 , 12:31 PM
Pre flop I'd raise to $35 to isolate. Either bet fold turn or check fold. Check call is terrible
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07-23-2014 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by alay9
Villain is good player. Solid TAG. Doesn't make tons of mistakes, but is capable of calling c-bets with smaller pieces. Villain made one impressive check-raise on turn into two people earlier with flopped combo. Took down pot with river ship and then showed. Other than that, just a solid tag player.

Limper is just somewhat LAG and just bad. Given that he didn't raise here, if he completely misses, he'll likely click fold.

Hero has similar image to Villain. Hero just stacked other player with second nuts 10 hands earlier. Hero also showed couple c-bet shut downs as well as check-folds. Pretty winning image.
Why not c/r?
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07-23-2014 , 09:49 PM
OP, it is customary to wait 24 hours before posting the results of the hand. You'll get more varied and better responses.

I'm fine with the raise pf and cbet. Once called, I'm done with the hand. Too many hands that would call now beat me. For the most part, they're going to play the hand passively so I'm rarely going to actually be bet off the best hand.
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07-23-2014 , 10:17 PM
*grunch*

Preflop is good. I like the flop bet into just two players.

Turn: Quite a few King-X in his range. 88 or worse might have folded flop, not many draws in his range. I'm checking to try to get to showdown, probably folding to a large bet.
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07-23-2014 , 10:24 PM
Against a bad player id be happy to double barrel OTT, but it's gonna take 3 barrels to make a "good" player fold a K here. Without better reads I check turn.
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07-24-2014 , 07:43 AM
Apologies for posting results - noted for next time.

Like the different thought, Fishinabooth, but C/R OOP and commit more? Me thinks not.

I think second, large barrel (~155) was the right decision, especially since i have the nut protector. VB all 8 and K rivers, bluff all 4, check all else.

Thoughts on updated line?
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07-24-2014 , 08:28 AM
Barreling turn depends on history with villain. OOP, I probably check more then bet but it depends on how willing villain is to call flop/fold turn and how good my image is at the time.

Part of the reason I like checking turn is that hero now has draw. I would hate to bet turn and get raised and have to fold the OESD.
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