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09-07-2012 , 02:02 AM
I'm fairly new to live poker (have only played like 5 sessions) and I feel like my opening range/calling range is one of my biggest leaks. Stuff like limping w/ weak suited aces in EP, and even raising suited garbo like K8 & Q6 a couple of times. Anyways, I was wondering what everybody's thoughts on opening/limping ranges 100BBs deep and what changes to make as stacks get bigger. This is assuming your standard 1/2 passive table.

EP:
Raise - ATs+, AJo+, KQo+, QJs+, 77+
Limp - JTs, QJs, KQo, pairs 66 & lower (I usually limp to control pot size + can't call if 3 bet even though this is really face up) occ. QQ+ w/ aggro @ table

MP:
Raise - EP range + QTo+, A5s+, all pairs, scs 87s+
Limp - none unless limpers ahead of me

Button/SB:
Raise - All of the above + 98o+, 65s+, K5s+, Q6s+, any ace
Limp - none unless limpers ahead

when the table gets to 6 handed I also raise stuff like J9s utg

is this good or bad?
09-07-2012 , 09:36 AM
The power of pocket pairs comes from flopping sets, so don't be afraid to call 3-bets with -any- pocket pair if you're deep enough. A set of 2s is almost always just as good as a set of 6s or 7s. Yes, lower sets can run in to set-over-set, but it happens so infrequently that I really wouldn't worry about it that much.

The common rule of thumb is '10x the raise size'. Suppose you have you pocket 4s in EP and you raise to 6. Let's suppose the CO raises you to 15. The raise to you is 9; 10x the raise is 90. So if you and the 3-better both have more than 90 behind, you can profitably set mine.

In general, my view is that poker at the lower stakes is about value. Play solid hands, focus on playing primarily in position, and ensure that your propensity to bet and bet sizing are based around your *opponents* range, not (only) on your own cards. (An extreme example: if you have the absolute nuts but you think villain only has ace-high, shoving all in is silly, since villain can never call. But Villain might make a crying call of 1/5th pot just 'to keep you honest').

Last edited by shwam34; 09-07-2012 at 09:44 AM.
09-07-2012 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pieceofmine
I'm fairly new to live poker (have only played like 5 sessions) and I feel like my opening range/calling range is one of my biggest leaks. Stuff like limping w/ weak suited aces in EP, and even raising suited garbo like K8 & Q6 a couple of times. Anyways, I was wondering what everybody's thoughts on opening/limping ranges 100BBs deep and what changes to make as stacks get bigger. This is assuming your standard 1/2 passive table.

EP:
Raise - ATs+, AJo+, KQo+, QJs+, 77+
Limp - JTs, QJs, KQo, pairs 66 & lower (I usually limp to control pot size + can't call if 3 bet even though this is really face up) occ. QQ+ w/ aggro @ table

MP:
Raise - EP range + QTo+, A5s+, all pairs, scs 87s+
Limp - none unless limpers ahead of me

Button/SB:
Raise - All of the above + 98o+, 65s+, K5s+, Q6s+, any ace
Limp - none unless limpers ahead

when the table gets to 6 handed I also raise stuff like J9s utg

is this good or bad?
tl;dr: This is way too wide for a starting live player.

Long Version: Despite what you may see, live poker is rarely as action packed as TV makes it seems. Every now and then you will get a nice, lively table that has chips thrown around like a cheap vegas hooker at a bachelor party...but most of the time it's alot like the old saying "War is long periods of bordeom punctuated by moments of sheer terror". No-Limit is almost the same way: You may find yourself folding for hours jus to find the right spot to put all your chips in the middle.

My advice: Tighten up ALOT....until you have more experience.

For a beginner, I'd suggest the following:

EP
Raise - AQs+, AKo, TT+
Limp - 77-99

MP
Raise - AJs+, AQo+, 99+
Limp - 88-55, KQ (Sparingly)

LP/Button Play
Raise - ATs+, AJo+, 77+
Limp - 66-55, KQ-KJ (sparingly)

Do this for about 20-30 sessions, with each session lasting a few hours.

The most important thing you can do when you are not in a hand is PAY ATTENTION TO THE GAME. I cannot stress this enough: I've seen alot of people get bored at the table and watch TV, or play on their phone, or just all around fart off between hands. Sure this works for people like GL and MTAG who have played tens of thousands of live hands and can identify spots and situations without a 2nd guess...but you and I do not have that experience yet. So watch the people playing, watch what they are raising with, and how they behave when they act. Pay attention to their body language and watch how they behave when people bet. Watch their bet sizing closely, and watch how they react when they are on a draw. Try to put together things in your head.

I know this sounds like alot, and it will be when you first start out....in fact your brain will be a little fried after the first few sessions so make sure you go home and write down what you remember before you forget it. After about 10 sessions or so you will start to notice patterns emerge, that certain kinds of people will behave in similar fashions. You'll notice people betting in similar sizes when they are on draws, or checking quickly when they have the nuts. Patterns will emerge.

When you start understanding the patterns and your opponents behavior, you can loosen up a bit.

I'd also recommend that every 20+ hands you get, you play a pair of suited connectors as you would a raising hand, preferably from late position. Be ready to give it up if you meet too much resistance, but this will help widen your range a bit and keep your play from being too predictable. Don't do this too much, if you do you will find yourself leaking badly.

Just my two cents - This helped me get on the right path. I stumbled alot, but don't expect to be a professional out of the gate. While you may see alot of people rush right out of the gate when they first begin, what you don't see is the hours and hours of study, of trial and error behind the scenes that they put into it. Don't get discouraged. Keep on the path of education and eventually you will succeed.
09-07-2012 , 03:07 PM
Please take pjhpmcs post and follow it, you're opening ranges are far too loose.
09-07-2012 , 03:22 PM
OP - there are tons of these threads already. Please use the search function.
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