With your example, kinda similar. I have tried folding 99 on btn with a loose player lead out on QQx board. Later he told me he didn't have a nine.

You got a point. But often times, do u see a decent player lead out on trips' board speculating u might have an overpair


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Philly

Aditionally from what DK pointed out, i would like to add that 2400$ roll is alot more vulnerable than you may think it is. Its 12 buyins aka 200$ each for 100 BB, and if you go on a bad run and things start to go against you the buyins can go pretty fast out the window- wich also have some effects on your mental state (may cause you to play worse and lose even more prolonging the "downswing").

Keep buyin in for 100 BB until you have an even bigger more comfortable roll imo.

Nice May results Homer. ETA: Wow, just noticed the hit-and-run average length of your sessions; < 2 hours!?!?!

I decided to sunrun in May when I switched to my new-and-improved-uber-nit style, losing my first session of the month but then winning the last seven.

~703 bbs over ~50 hours for ~14 bbs/hr.

Most people would probably attribute it to a change in their method, but I'm not that naive and realize any change is unlikely to make any giraffe dent for hundreds (thousands?) of hours. Just ran well.

Grunningwell:thekeytopokerG

well at MDL these days there is rarely a legit list for 1/2 so i tend to just play more shorter sessions in the same day instead of one long one with breaks, also allows one to get into newly firing games in the evening which are typically 9 recs and me

also some casino/stake hopping. Win at MDL 1/2, go play MGM or Shoe 1/3. Win at MGM 1/3, go play MDL 1/3. Lose at 1/3, move back to 1/2.

Almost jinxed myself. Pretty ridiculous 3 session heater to recover most of it.

Those arrows tho

Casino hopping is generally pretty bad unless the games at spot A are just really bad and the games at B are known to be good / you can get a seat quickly.

There is an opportunity cost of leaving a game to go try and find a better game, esp when you factor in the times that game B isn't actually better than game A.

i'd agree if strictly talking about game 'quality' but the 4 specific games i mentioned aren't really the same even though the small blind is $1 in each

Taking a break can be quite advantageous for some players. Also, changing games can be a nice mental reset.

Where do you play now? Vegas isn't as soft as most people think. LA is soft but living expenses is not.

The weird thing is, when I take a break, I legit forget how to play poker. My sizing especially is just really, really bad when I take long breaks and I make bad folds and worse check/calls. But if I play like a consistent 100 hours in a month, the following month I'll be 100% A-game.

I know they say use it or lose it but it's just weird how bad I become after a few months off. Also, years ago when I was hardcore grinding, I was playing at a much higher level than I am now. I knew alot of tricks and thought about live poker at a much higher level than I do now.

I just meant in regards to the breaks that Homer is taking while hopping from casino to casino.

yeah, those breaks are actually really good for me. Before MGM i would drive home and realize about 30 mins into the drive that i actually wanted to play longer, after analyzing the previous session

Plus no one has mentioned the real reason, ratholing because i'm poor ldo

I can relate, especially when I come back to playing 1/2 with $200 stacks.

Can you effectively rathole by simply switching from a deepstack table to a shorterstack table at the same stakes? This is a big part of my strategy now (not ratholing, but the fact that I've recognized I'm simply *way* better in shortstacked games than deepstacked ones).

GcluelessratholingnoobG

well part of it is moving up in stakes, easier to play 150bb appropriately in 1/3 if all of it exists from an original 100bb 1/2 buyin

the other part is my buyin becomes more valuable after the break compared to rushing into another game

Not sure I see the relevance of that?

My point is that if you're sitting on a 300bb stack at a table with lots of other 300bb stacks, you can simply effectively rathole 200bbs by moving to a table with mostly 100bb stacks (perhaps a newer table, depending on BI maximums), assuming when you move tables at the same stakes you have to take all your chips (I'm guessing rooms differ on this rule).

GcluelesseffectiveratholingnoobG

In my experience, being in a really deep $1/3 and $2/5 game is actually not as great as it sounds. A lot of players get really tight when they are 200BB+ deep and are just looking for coolers. I honestly think a huge portion of my winrate comes from people who get short and get impatient and shove 50BB with AJ or top pair because they are tired of folding and that's the best hand they've seen in an hour.

Valid points for sure. Same for me, at least a decent chunk of my winrate comes from what youre describing.

This is my experience as well.

My guess is that really crushing players who have a real good understanding of deepstack can make deepstack play extremely profitable.

But for players like myself who flounder in deepstack, playing shorterstacked tables is the ~nuts as so many players just constantly make terribly loose calls and blow off a bunch of $$$ in ~$100 increments.

GimoG

My experience in many Casino games is that deeper stacks usually cause most players to tighten up. Good regs and grinder type recreational mostly. Sometimes the scared money players just get up and leave.

The gambly fools that play like action junkie maniacs do *not* tend to tighten up when they're deep though. They'll continue to spew chips just like they do after re-loading for $100. Trouble is that they don't *stay* deep stacked for very long.


Home games are a different story, where the deeper stacks don't seem to slow the action anywhere near as much. Although it does often prompt the PLO discussion instead. Charity games (it's a Michigan thing) are a bit of a weird hybrid where it can go either way.

You guys aren't playing the same games I am. I regularly play a couple of games that regularly go 300BB, and it just gets fishier.

But these also allow rebuy up to the big stack...so I recognize that's a different demographic than playing a game where you grind it up from 100bb.

I agree, this is so game dependent. In my game which is uncapped 1/2 you definitely see people punt 300 BBs stack shockingly light, and sometimes correctly. I got it in pre flop with AA v. QQ and AQs (!) when I was about $1000 deep, AA had $500 and AQs had about $700. In a hand I posted a couple weeks ago I got A2 in v. 33 on a 345ssx flop when there were 4 callers of a $10 raise and V lead out $20, I raised to $60 and he just shoved. I got it all in with the nut straight for $1000 on the river in like a $50 pot when V misread his hand. Alternatively, when sitting $500 or more deep you actually have fold equity when nitty Vs have overpairs. In my game at least people are making all sorts of deepstack mistakes.

Yes, you can actually. I found this out by accident playing at Showboat in AC in 2009 IIRC. I was about 1100 deep in 1/2 or 1/3, whatever the game was. My table broke and I was forced to move. Not by choice I ended up at a table with no stacks higher than 400 and found out that a room rule was if you were moving from a broken game you could only come in with as high a stack as was currently on the table. I had to leave my additional 700 off the table which is definitely not what I wanted, but if I were attempting a rathole it would be the ideal legal solution in that particular room.