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Old 05-19-2017, 11:19 AM   #18776
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***

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Yeah same with most winnings coming from AA even though the other hands obviously matter a lot.
Yeah, isn't it a theory that AA/KK pay for our blinds and how we play the remainder of the hands decides whether we are actually a winner vs loser?

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Old 05-19-2017, 11:23 AM   #18777
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Nice graphs and crazy consistent run-up, though without being able to see the numbers on the y-axis they're about 70% less sexy!
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:24 AM   #18778
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Can someone tell me what the biggest downswing they've went threw in a 1-2,1-3 game at one time was. Thank you for your responses !


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In 3,383 hours of live 1/3 NL, my two worst downswings are -955bbs and -770bbs. The largest downswing had some sessions put in at a max BI of 133bbs, but otherwise all put in at a max BI of 100bbs.

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Old 05-19-2017, 11:26 AM   #18779
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I bet an experienced player can figure out the y-axis by comparing the angle of my graph to his own.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:26 AM   #18780
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Nice graphs and crazy consistent run-up, though without being able to see the numbers on the y-axis they're about 70% less sexy!
Looks like he's up $35?

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Old 05-19-2017, 11:36 AM   #18781
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I bet an experienced player can figure out the y-axis by comparing the angle of my graph to his own.
I think any winning player will have about the same angle with that app, just more or less variance (my graph has much more variance). The numbers on the Y-axis will be scaled to account for the ~45 degree angle.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:42 AM   #18782
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I bet an experienced player can figure out the y-axis by comparing the angle of my graph to his own.
My graph has way too much up and down to compare to yours, but all my profits in this year (and then some) have come from 3 sessions.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:56 AM   #18783
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The numbers on the Y-axis will be scaled to account for the ~45 degree angle.
Yeah, that's my guess too. So Mike could literally only be up $35 and yet his giraffe could still easily look like that.

See a few pages back for my expert giraffe posting tip regarding x/y resolution.

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Old 05-19-2017, 01:20 PM   #18784
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I bet an experienced player can figure out the y-axis by comparing the angle of my graph to his own.
Whats your biggest downswing? You play 2/5 right?
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:42 PM   #18785
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I think any winning player will have about the same angle with that app, just more or less variance (my graph has much more variance). The numbers on the Y-axis will be scaled to account for the ~45 degree angle.
Hmmm, OK. I had no idea.
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:48 PM   #18786
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Whats your biggest downswing? You play 2/5 right?
Mostly 2/5 with some 5/10 mixed in. Biggest downswing is $5400. About $1100 of that was 5/10 so Id say it was just under 10 buy ins.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:10 PM   #18787
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I bet an experienced player can figure out the y-axis by comparing the angle of my graph to his own.
You don't seem to know how graphs work
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:16 PM   #18788
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You don't seem to know how graphs work
Yeah, I made myself look stupid there. Oh well.

How about this? Anyone with math skiils can estimate my y-axis based on the biggest downswing numbers I just quoted since its pretty obvious where that was on the graph.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:39 PM   #18789
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Yeah, I made myself look stupid there. Oh well.

How about this? Anyone with math skiils can estimate my y-axis based on the biggest downswing numbers I just quoted since its pretty obvious where that was on the graph.
An easier way is that I think you recently posted in one of your threads a specific winrate of N BB's/hour over 2k hours... pretty sure that was you...
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:39 PM   #18790
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Mostly 2/5 with some 5/10 mixed in. Biggest downswing is $5400. About $1100 of that was 5/10 so Id say it was just under 10 buy ins.
Actually looking again, $2100 of the $5400 was 5/10 so it was actually 8.7 buy ins.

Edit: Disregard all of this. I have to go back and look again. My memory must've blocked out some of the downswing because its a bit more than the $5400 I listed. I have a pic on my phone of a screen shot I took of my app a while back that shows -$5427 over 76 hrs for a lovely win rate of a little over -$71/hr. I thought I had captured the downswing for posterity but I guess I missed some of it when I took that screen shot. Its safe to say my biggest down swing was somewhere in the 10 buy in range. I would say about 3 of those buy ins were bad play.

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Old 05-22-2017, 02:41 PM   #18791
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***

I have a bankroll question!

I have $800...

My 1/2 game is $200 max. Well its 2/1/2 actually. Mandatory $2 on the button.

So anyways, do I use it as 4 $200 buyins or 8 $100 buyins? The 8 100s would reduce variance but if I stack people I'm also making much less.
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:55 PM   #18792
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I have a bankroll question!

I have $800...

My 1/2 game is $200 max. Well its 2/1/2 actually. Mandatory $2 on the button.

So anyways, do I use it as 4 $200 buyins or 8 $100 buyins? The 8 100s would reduce variance but if I stack people I'm also making much less.
I would go something in the middle, around 140$ or 150$ each buyin. 100$ is just too short, and will leave you with very little wiggleroom starting with only 50 big blinds.

Something to keep in mind though, is what youre saying about short buyin reducing variance is truly a double edged sword. Yes, when you do find yourself in allin for stacks situations you will "only" lose the 100$ you bought in for, but on the other hand you will end up in stackoff territory SPR way more often compared to if you bought in for 200$.

My best bet for grinding up from that small of a bankroll is to buyin for 140$-150$, and basically nutpeddle to try and spin up your roll a little bit. Lock up wins when you can. Ive grinded up my roll from scratch several times due to a variaty of life reasons, and ive used this approach with success each time.
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:09 PM   #18793
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Buy in for $200 a pop.
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:25 PM   #18794
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Yeah, isn't it a theory that AA/KK pay for our blinds and how we play the remainder of the hands decides whether we are actually a winner vs loser?

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It's all relative.

Somebody who plays tight isn't going to make heeps with them, whereas somebody who constantly 3bet/4bets is going to be able to get 400bb's out of someone when they have QQ/JJ/AK fairly often [when you have AA/KK]
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:56 PM   #18795
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Depends on how good you are at each stack depth.

I would generally play shorter if you have so little money (unless easily replenishable I guess) and reduce your RoR significantly.

This is only if you know how to play a shorter stack though. Peel less, but 3b more.
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Old 05-23-2017, 10:16 AM   #18796
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Had a pretty good April + May. If it wasn't for that huge 5/10 loss I'd be really crushing. That 5/10 game was ****ing amazing too

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Old 05-23-2017, 10:59 AM   #18797
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***

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I have a bankroll question!

I have $800...

My 1/2 game is $200 max. Well its 2/1/2 actually. Mandatory $2 on the button.

So anyways, do I use it as 4 $200 buyins or 8 $100 buyins? The 8 100s would reduce variance but if I stack people I'm also making much less.
I'm really not a fan of playing live cash with under 100bb. You just are handicapping yourself, and limiting your own profitability.

If the roll will be replenished at some point I would just buy in full.
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Old 05-23-2017, 05:33 PM   #18798
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I'm really not a fan of playing live cash with under 100bb. You just are handicapping yourself, and limiting your own profitability.
Going bust (or having to make tight folds for BRM reasons because you're too deep) also limits your profitability.
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:40 AM   #18799
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Finally fired up my actual analysis scripts (Matlab junkie due to work) to look at my recent results in detail.

Year has been pretty marginal so far with a big old +$377.50 over 246.6 hours. Total waste of time.

But then I starting splitting things apart and feel a little better.

+$1212.5 over 158.6 hours playing $1/2 NLHE. Only $7.65/hr, but I did have two annoying -$500 sessions in there where every big pot went the wrong way.

-$835 over 88.4 hours playing "other" games, which is mostly RxR or straight PLO.

LOL sample sizes for both but the NLHE is at least in line with the last 1000 or so hours (bit lower), and my overall trend for about 650 hours of assorted "other" games is also pretty negative. Really wish my local home games would play more NLHE and less RxR as it's much more convenient than driving to a casino.
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:57 AM   #18800
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After a horrendous start to 2017, I'm on a nice little 1,091bb upswing over the past 98 hours in my 1/3 NL game. Still on pace for my second worst year ever, but at least I'm a little bit more in the ballpark where I at least have a chance at booking a reasonable result by the end.

Ever since implementing my new uber nit style I haven't lost a session, but I'll fully admit I'm probably just running well in the big pots that matter.

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