Or he just ran extremely hot for 100-200 hours?

Im sure he ran hot, but I dont think anyone will deny that the games are softer in Vegas during WSOP than most any place else during any other time. I have a couple other friends who went last year and are going again this year and the stores of megadonks are all the same.

How much softer and how much more profitable is it than whatever your regular game is? I dont know because I havent played there during WSOP.

My view is that the guy for sure ran really hot, no doubt about that. But even so, its my opinion if you are good at game selecting especially, and hopping around from casino to casino and manage to find very good games consistantly- i dont think 30 K for a dedicated 1 month grinding at 2/5 sounds crazy at all. Especially if he buys in deep every game and the table plays deep.

My friend grinded 1-2 and 1-3 for 2 weeks last year during WSOP, and easily won 5000$ without any crazy volume. Some decent run good+ having an ability to put yourself in the highest value games around town and alot of the job is done. IMO donks and whales from all around the world is flying in to Vegas during WSOP to play (donate).

Midwest LLSNL games are on average going to be far softer than WSOP cash games (on the strip at least) and it's not even close. Anecdotes about some dude that had a big score mean absolutely nothing. I have a ton of such anecdotes in games here too. My buddy just made $22k in one session of 5/T. What does that mean for you? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

If you are from the Midwest and are thinking of coming to town during the WSOP, there are many great reasons to do so such as the experience, the atmosphere, for fun, a change of pace,to play tourneys, to play SNGs etc. However, expecting to make more money grinding low stakes cash should not be one of them, particularly when you take into consideration expenses. Also, it should be noted that many of the best players from local card rooms go to Vegas for the WSOP which can make the ridiculously soft games back home even softer than normal.

Yep this is about right. Go for the "experience," for a vacation, or to gamble on some MTT lotteries, those are all justifiable reasons to go. But when you factor in traveling, hotel expenses, crazy waitlists, ubers etc there is no way you can justify going to Vegas make more money playing 1/2 than you can at home lol.

IMO, the only way going to the WSOP to "make money" makes any real sense is if you are a high stakes cash player and are following the big games, or are a mid-stakes plus tourney grinder or something imo.

This was definitely my experience last summer. Going on a good heater was a likely tag-team partner, but my results and the general table population were definitely affected.

And I already play in a gold mine of a low stakes room as some ITT can attest to.

Side note: I'm not even very good.

I've been saying for a while that Midwest games are the best in the country in average. I've played a bit on the east coast and in Vegas. Neither compares to the drool fests I experience in SE Michigan on most nights. I think it would be interesting to know how much that would affect my win rate. I'm probably just break even on either coast.

For the same price of the vacation, I can live in an apartment near a no-limit casino for at least 4 months. Assuming I am not dreadful at no-limit and know when to fold, I should do well, planning on skipping Vegas vacation fwiw. The only real reason to go is to test my no-limit calibre before re-locating. I think I should be fine.

Where are these crazy good midwest games, exactly? Horseshoe Hammond? Other places?

All over. I've personally played 2008-style poker in Kansas, Missouri, Michigan, Iowa, and Wisconsin that I can think of off the top of my head.

Let me know when you're in Michigan. I'll arrange a baseball bat party.

I've played in very passive games at the Horseshoe Hammond, just a weekend break from the limit grind, and found it very easy. 30 tables going all the time.

Vegas I found to be potentially tough on weekdays, did a lot of table hopping from casino to casino.

I'm always pretty skeptical of people claiming games to be amazing.

If they were so amazing, why are you telling people about them? Sounds pretty stupid imo

No one is moving to Detroit for the games. I think I'm safe.

If theres a juicy 2/5/10+ ill go there right ****ing now brah and bleed that entire city dry LEGGO

I'll hire 20 horses that are slightly above breakeven so even though I make nothing off of them just so they suck the poker market dry and make you eat your words. Chad powers in dis *****

Assuming your room isn't filled beyond capacity at all hours of the day, the busier it is, the better it is for you.

Everyone is interested in a "juicy" game, not just elite professional low stakes crushers. Those people you're worried about make up such a tiny fraction of players it's not worth worrying about at all, and besides, they probably already know where the games are good. Meanwhile there are bad regs and huge losers looking for a better place to play, so why not invite them?

I would happily tell everyone willing to listen that my local room is great, the games are great, and I am winning a lot of money and so can you!

I suppose I was thinking under the premise that the majority of people getting room suggestions from 2+2 would lean towards the "pro" side of the spectrum more-so than not.

It's difficult to really judge though given there's like a much larger quantity of people who simply view posts as opposed to post themselves. So, you could easily be right as well and my initial premise might be presumptuous.

I think you're all underestimating the power of Detroit to turn away would be professionals.

I go to Chicago a few times a year for work, and always make a point to play some poker. I'm always shocked at how passive the 2/5 games at Horseshoe Hammond are. There is effectively no 3-betting with non-nutted hands, and very little bluffing. People aren't calling it off light, but you do see a bunch of people buying in for $200 (in a $500 cap game), limp/call pre for more than 10% of their stacks then play fit or fold on the flop. Most people at the 2/5game at HH just don't seem capable of putting you to a hard decision.

no offense intended towards anyone (as i'm included) but in the year 2017, essentially nothing is being discussed by the top minds of a particular subject in a public web forum, with rare exceptions

DK has it right, the players you truly don't want there aren't using 2p2 for that

Thanks guys, I'll definitely be checking out some of these Midwest games.

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For anyone attempting to do this at 2/5 NL or less, you're definitely going to have to display the data to convince me this is profitable. Simply tally your flight/hotel/taxi/eatingout/drinking/entertainment/etc., then estimate how many hours you're going to play, and then come up with your required winrate to breakeven; highly doubt anyone is computing a reasonable expected winrate. As others have stated earlier, anyone can run hot over x hours, but expecting to do that in order to breakeven / win huge money is kinda lol.

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When I go to Vegas for a poker vacation, I spend ~$3-400 on a plane ticket, $30/night at Harrahs, only drink the free booze at the tables (at the end of the night), walk most places, and limit my food costs pretty well. Then I park my ass at a table for 12+ hours a day.

Last time I ran the numbers and I needed something like $8/hr to cover the trip.

But even if I don't I've still enjoyed myself for the better part of a week.

There's definitely ways to make it doable unless plane tickets are just crazy. For me they are $200 to $300 roundtrip. You can get roommates to make the housing more affordable. Get comp'ed dinners. Meet rich friends who pay for everything.

That being said, still more profitable to stay in the midwest.