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08-29-2011, 01:05 PM
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#886
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Tempe,AZ
Posts: 2,014
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
my last 12 sessions of $2/3...
Hours [Win/Loss]
2.5 [166]
2 [997]
4 [172]
2 [408]
5.5 [-112]
5 [442]
5 [249]
2.5 [325]
6.5 [385]
2.5 [13]
7.25 [240]
8 [50]
total
52.75 hrs +3335
I played very badly the last game winning only $50.. should have been up $400+, but made at least 5 mistakes. Going to take a break, read some books/posts and refocus.
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08-29-2011, 01:23 PM
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#887
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old hand
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: 6g1p
Posts: 1,316
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
Nice win %
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08-29-2011, 03:22 PM
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#888
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The Situation
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: I think Uncle Drew has Osteoporosis
Posts: 4,356
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First post in this thread I think.
Month of august was soso , but 1 hand in 2 sessions cost me 3500 combined and booked losers instead of big wins. One well played and only left bc game broke. Other was a poorly played hand. Overall played pretty well. Fps on one occasion made a nice win into a small one. Only two losing sessions out of 9.
1/5 +55 6 hours
1/3 +530 9.7 hours
1/5 -800 8.1 hours (played a game)
2/5 +1335 4.4 hours
1/3 +400 4.3 hours
2/5 +38 3 hours (Fps)
2/5 +610 2 hours (friends went broke and ride was leaving  )
2/5 -800 (played one hand horrid)
1/3 +3 9.4 hours
+1371 49.1 hours +27.92 per hour.
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08-29-2011, 08:09 PM
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#889
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 710
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
Figured I would update my YTD results as I haven't updated since mid-May. At the bottom are excerpts with my results from my two previous posts in this thread. As always, I round my results for simplicity when posting on the forums.
If you don't remember much about me, or whatever. I'm employed full time, but, I play poker as a hobby 25-30 hours a week, mostly 2/5NL with some 5/10NL, and 2/5PLO mixed in. I'm not a very good player, but, I enjoy the game, and I enjoy being in the card room.
5/17/11 - 8/29/11: 325 hours, 60 sessions - $9800, $30ish/hr - $300ish comps, $6,000ish promotions.
I think I've been playing some of my best poker. I've focused a lot on toning down my aggression and playing a more solid in control game. I've really learned to take my ego out of the equation, and I've benefited by engaging in less battles with other good regulars.
I've also been fortunate to hit my first ever table share of the Bad Beat Jackpot, and I've done well in hitting some general casino promotions.
Aside from making some adjustments and tightening up my play, I believe my skill set seems to have plateaued. I feel like I have a lot of room for improvement, however, I'm having trouble actually improving. I haven't had an "aha" poker moment in forever.
I'd like to take the next step towards becoming a better player, however, I don't know what that step should be. It feels as if I keep grinding away, but, my ability isn't increasing relative to the hours I am putting in.
NEW 2011 YTD: 675 hours, 110 sessions - $16500, $25ish/hr - $600ish comps, $7,000ish promotions.
I hope everyone else is having a good year so far, and I hope we all finish strong.
BELOW are the old excerpts from posts with my data:
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Originally Posted by Bo Goldman
YTD 2011: 350 hours, 50 sessions - $6700, $20ish/hr - $300ish comps, $800ish promotions.
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Originally Posted by Bo Goldman
2010 : 1050 hours, 200 sessions - $17000, $15ish/hr - $1,000ish in Comps, $2000 in promotions.
2009 : 900 hours, 150 sessions - $18000, $20ish/hr - $1,000ish in Comps, $5500 in promotions.
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08-29-2011, 09:11 PM
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#890
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: @DeTalores
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
Little about me:
I'm 22, from Missouri and live about 10 minutes away from a casino that always has at least 2 games of 1/2nl, and getting a degree in computer sciences. I've played poker for quite a few years, but just recently started taking it seriously. I've payed for all of my semesters of college from cards, (before poker was an AP[blackjack]). But I quickly learned I could earn a much higher hourly playing poker.
I started out online with moderate success. Now since there isn't really any more online for US I'm playin 'ole B&M.
I started with an expendable $2400(in my bank account) to play $1/2. First trip I took $400 and luckily ran good so I never had to withdraw more. Since then I've logged 300 hours.
Current BR: $7217.48(A few withdraws for random expenses)
I play a pretty loose game pre-flop which means I get in to tons of marginal, confusing, and tricky spots post-flop.
Wanted to take some shots at 2/5nl which usually runs every weekend, except for this last weekend when I wanted to play
On a side note what do you guys think would be a good $ to take a few shots at 2/5 PLO 400min (obv none of the players know what they're doing)?
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08-29-2011, 11:01 PM
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#891
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old hand
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: 6g1p
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
LolPony, how big are the average stack sizes of the players on a typical 1/2 table?
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08-30-2011, 05:50 AM
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#892
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: @DeTalores
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by ogabay
LolPony, how big are the average stack sizes of the players on a typical 1/2 table?
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min buy in is $100.
So usually 1-2 players with ~100 5-6 ~200 1-2 ~300+.
Usually towards the end of my sessions it's not uncommon to have 3-4 stacks around 500+
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08-30-2011, 10:23 PM
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#893
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Maltese
Posts: 2,922
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
End of the month update. All post BF 2-3-5 500max...
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08-30-2011, 11:38 PM
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#894
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Tempe,AZ
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
this is turning into a sick brag thread. really nice stats last 4
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08-31-2011, 02:20 PM
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#895
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: @DeTalores
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter
this is turning into a sick brag thread. really nice stats last 4
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Lol agreed.
deesnuts = ballin.
Pretty sick.
I like how my std deviation is higher than at 2/3/5 though ahhaha. I wonder why that is >.<
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08-31-2011, 07:49 PM
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Haz Chuck Norris 4 Dad
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Michigan
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by LolPony
Little about me:
I'm 22, from Missouri and live about 10 minutes away from a casino that always has at least 2 games of 1/2nl, and getting a degree in computer sciences. I've played poker for quite a few years, but just recently started taking it seriously. I've payed for all of my semesters of college from cards, (before poker was an AP[blackjack]). But I quickly learned I could earn a much higher hourly playing poker.
I started out online with moderate success. Now since there isn't really any more online for US I'm playin 'ole B&M.
I started with an expendable $2400(in my bank account) to play $1/2. First trip I took $400 and luckily ran good so I never had to withdraw more. Since then I've logged 300 hours.
Current BR: $7217.48(A few withdraws for random expenses)
I play a pretty loose game pre-flop which means I get in to tons of marginal, confusing, and tricky spots post-flop.
Wanted to take some shots at 2/5nl which usually runs every weekend, except for this last weekend when I wanted to play
On a side note what do you guys think would be a good $ to take a few shots at 2/5 PLO 400min (obv none of the players know what they're doing)?

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I would say take SHOTS at 12k. PLO with a bunch of crazies will increase your variance. If you loose like 3 BI go back down and win a little more at 1/2 to get confidence back and to reduce futher possible damage.
Just my opinion
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08-31-2011, 08:56 PM
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#897
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chicago IL suburbs
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
Hey all. So here's my summary for 1/2:
~450 hours
~$5000 in profit
About $11/hour average.
I'm not happy with my average. For the first 50 hours or so, I got off to a strong start. Then, for the next 250 hours or so, I went up and down and up and down. I ran pretty bad I think but I'm not sure. I regularly went entire days without getting dealt anything decent. I went a 50 hour period once flopping zero sets, no exaggeration. I feel like I was "cheated" by the poker gods. For a 250 hour period or so, I wasn't being dealt AQ+, JJ+, or flopping sets NEARLY as often as I'm mathematically supposed to. I feel that lately (this summer), I've been running more normal. I'm averaging one or two sets every 8 hours, and I'm dealt QQ+ at least once per session. As a result, I've been destroying the game lately.
At this time, I changed a few things in my game slightly. I ditched the whole idea that this forum is so fold of, which is "small hand, small pot big hand big pot". If I think my one pair had a reasonable chance of being ahead, I'm pushing the action very strongly now. I've also focused more on paying attention to how villains are playing and adjusting to them. Sometimes I'll fold a powerful hand to a certain player but put tons of $ into a pot with TPWK against another villain.
Anyway, I've been doing better lately, won 10 sessions in a row. Seems like I've been averaging like $75/hour lately. Btw, how many hours till my win rate is a reliable indicator of my long term win rate?
And just 2k more to go before I can FINALLY move up to $2/5.
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08-31-2011, 09:14 PM
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#898
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 710
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
In response to the quotes post below:
You can infer a lot of things from your current win-rate now and you can use it to establish some ideas about your long term win-rate.
The problem is people on this forum are clueless, when it comes to these things. They mimic things over and over again like - you need XXXX hours, and you have only played XXXX hands. Blah blah blah, there is variance in poker we get it...
We can tell a lot about your potential win-rate and how it will compare to your current win-rate, by analyzing specific hands and your rationale for WHY you make decisions during hands. Don't look at results, look at how you got to the results.
Your 450 hours (25kish hands) is plenty large enough of a sample size to make an educated guess as to your win-rate. Not because we can determine statistically you are likely to have a win-rate of X with a confidence ratio of X, but, because we can tell if you are good at poker or not.
I mean seriously, do you really want to play 2,000 hours of 1/2NL? Then estimate your win-rate more accurately and determine if it is OK to move up? Screw that.
Play your best, as the bankroll builds, shot take aggressively.
Your bankroll is north of 5k, I'm assuming, since you have 5k profits and whatever your starting bankroll was. Take shots at 2/5NL now. Take a 3 buy-in shot. Immediately.
Put away the calculator, take off your nerd specs, pull out your tampon, and go play some poker. Stop worrying about results and numbers, and just aim to play your best and improve every time.
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
Hey all. So here's my summary for 1/2:
~450 hours
~$5000 in profit
About $11/hour average.
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Btw, how many hours till my win rate is a reliable indicator of my long term win rate?
And just 2k more to go before I can FINALLY move up to $2/5.
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08-31-2011, 09:17 PM
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#899
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chicago IL suburbs
Posts: 2,936
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by Bo Goldman
In response to the quotes post below:
You can infer a lot of things from your current win-rate now and you can use it to establish some ideas about your long term win-rate.
The problem is people on this forum are clueless, when it comes to these things. They mimic things over and over again like - you need XXXX hours, and you have only played XXXX hands. Blah blah blah, there is variance in poker we get it...
We can tell a lot about your potential win-rate and how it will compare to your current win-rate, by analyzing specific hands and your rationale for WHY you make decisions during hands. Don't look at results, look at how you got to the results.
Your 450 hours (25kish hands) is plenty large enough of a sample size to make an educated guess as to your win-rate.
I mean seriously, do you really want to play 2,000 hours of 1/2NL? Then estimate your win-rate more accurately and determine if it is OK to move up? Screw that.
Play your best, as the bankroll builds, shot take aggressively.
Your bankroll is north of 5k, I'm assuming, since you have 5k profits and whatever your starting bankroll was. Take shots at 2/5NL now. Take a 3 buy-in shot. Immediately.
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My bankroll is actually just a number written down on paper. Three fourths of a year ago I had $6k, and said to myself "$3000 will be my bankroll, the rest will be living expenses". Since then, I've spent about $5000 on tuition for college, gas, ect. I've also made $5000 so right now I only have $6000. But my "theoretical bankroll" is $8000, and I told myself I will move up to $2/5 when I hit $10000.
And what do you think of my game from my posts/threads? Think I'm "$2/5 material"? The place I play is tougher than most places I believe because it's not as big of a tourist destination than Vegas. I played in Vegas once and the game was very very wild, and I can see how terrible, weak tight, nut peddling nits can make a large profit in these games.
Last edited by yodachoda; 08-31-2011 at 09:27 PM.
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08-31-2011, 09:27 PM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 710
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
To address LolPony's point; Do Not take a shot at your casino's 2/5PLO game.
UNLESS, you actually are competent at playing PLO. Spectating a PLO game or seeing the same NL fish playing PLO, it is almost impossible to gauge their skill, if you are not competent at PLO.
I would advise against sitting in that game all together unless you are confident in your ability to play PLO.
PLO is a totally different game then NL, and while yes, basic poker theory carries over, and if you have sound logic and can reason about hands well, you can find success without experience. However, most people that jump into live PLO games without some PLO skillset, are often worse then the fish they followed from their NL tables into the game.
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Originally Posted by LolPony
On a side note what do you guys think would be a good $ to take a few shots at 2/5 PLO 400min (obv none of the players know what they're doing)?
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