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07-22-2010, 06:45 PM
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#181
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See my coaching listing
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: las vegas
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Re: 1/2 NL - Profit question
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Originally Posted by Princess Azula
IMO $10/hr is very high, but achievable. You will have to play 200 solid session to find out where you stand.
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Ive played only a few sessions of 1/2, but i can assure you that 5bb/hr at 1/2 casino NL full ring is basically just rising above the village idiots a few notches, and really doing nothing extraordinary.
The daily regtards at 2/5 are making 18 to 25/hour at 2/5 and they dont even know what pokerstove is.
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07-22-2010, 09:08 PM
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#182
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grinder
Join Date: May 2006
Location: it turns out i'm an edge nit...
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
DO NOT ALWAYS buy in for the max!!
also DO NOT listen to guys with 5 posts who make uninformed and unsupported assertions.
buy in for what you're comfortable for. buy in for what allows you and your style to take best advantage of the dynamics of the table.
there's a lot of value in being able to 3b pre/shove flops against players who have no idea what they're doing.
so many 1/2 fish will call a 3b getting horrendous odds trying to hit a small set or flop top pair with JT and then fold the flop when they miss (or call your shove on a T-high board when you haven't played a hand in an hour and are obviously on an overpair).
for more, see this post of mine from another thread.
poker is not a game of absolutes. there is no such thing as 'perfect poker' because unexploitable is almost never optimal. if you discovered how to play unexploitably and did so, you'd be leaving a ton of money on the table, because winning the most means exploiting weakness the best, which means being exploitable yourself.
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08-05-2010, 11:08 PM
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#183
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grinder
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Grinding in the southern hemisphere
Posts: 531
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What's your winrate/hourly rate playing live?
I've often wondered what a good hourly rate was playing $2/5 500NL live and at any other stakes come to mention it.
What is a good and what is an excellent hourly rate and what is the minimum number of hours you need to have recorded for a true idea of how good you are?
What is your NLH hourly rate at the stakes you play
and how many hours of play does that relate to?
I will post my info in due course.
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08-06-2010, 12:09 AM
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#184
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,023
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Re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
you silly poker players and your maths. Just play your cards and fold when you miss... duh!!!
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Well, this, obv. Sklansky goes on about forgetting what your instinct tells you. I think he doesn't really understand what instinct is (because his examples of instinct dont really talk about instinct - boom). After calling a raise from a lagtard oop tonight I just had a feeling I was going to hit broadway. It came on the turn. Instinct. If I'd gone with logic I'd have folded my KTo
I suppose what I'm saying is go with your instinct if you know and trust who you are.
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08-06-2010, 12:21 AM
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#185
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Europe
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
Whatever mysteriously went wrong, it just as mysteriously righted itself. Graphs are working now. Odd.
Entering time and date seems a bit awkward, but I'm really looking forward to giving this program a good spin.
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So?
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08-06-2010, 02:24 AM
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#186
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Eire
Posts: 25,365
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Re: 1/2 NL - Profit question
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Originally Posted by masaraksh
Unless you have >200hrs sample size it really means close to nothing in live poker.
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200 hours means basically nothing.
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08-06-2010, 12:13 PM
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Lucky Number Seven
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: 0EV against everyone ... seriously
Posts: 16,472
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando
So?
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I'm a big fan of PokerJournal now!
With a little practice and a little fine-tuning of the preferences, nothing is awkward to enter anymore. With the possible exception of start/end time, as if you scroll the wrong way for end time you can reset the start time and have to do it over. But its really starting to accumulate a lot of data now, and the filters are terrific for slicing and dicing it to tell you what you want to know, and the graphs are just fun. A friend and I have taken to flashing eachother our PJ graphs as a quick way to update on recent successes and failures. And the export to PC and Excel couldn't be easier, which is primo for archiving and tax records.
I haven't tried the competitors so I can't call it the "best". But its a great program and I'd recommend it.
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08-06-2010, 12:27 PM
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Cant Cflat Aint My Tone
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Team Blue Shark Optics @friscochris
Posts: 9,866
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
I'm a big fan of PokerJournal now!
With a little practice and a little fine-tuning of the preferences, nothing is awkward to enter anymore. With the possible exception of start/end time, as if you scroll the wrong way for end time you can reset the start time and have to do it over. But its really starting to accumulate a lot of data now, and the filters are terrific for slicing and dicing it to tell you what you want to know, and the graphs are just fun. A friend and I have taken to flashing eachother our PJ graphs as a quick way to update on recent successes and failures. And the export to PC and Excel couldn't be easier, which is primo for archiving and tax records.
I haven't tried the competitors so I can't call it the "best". But its a great program and I'd recommend it.
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Between you, I and the rest of 2p2.... *shhhh keep it on the dlow* I have been beta testing PJ2.... Just wait and see is all I can say!!!!  If it wasn't the best before... its definately the best now! More to come when I am allowed to say stuff including screen shots.
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08-06-2010, 12:37 PM
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#189
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Cant Cflat Aint My Tone
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Team Blue Shark Optics @friscochris
Posts: 9,866
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Re: What's your winrate/hourly rate playing live?
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Originally Posted by BIGFISH72
I've often wondered what a good hourly rate was playing $2/5 500NL live and at any other stakes come to mention it.
What is a good and what is an excellent hourly rate and what is the minimum number of hours you need to have recorded for a true idea of how good you are?
What is your NLH hourly rate at the stakes you play
and how many hours of play does that relate to?
I will post my info in due course.
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2000 hours. IMO.
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08-06-2010, 01:46 PM
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#190
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,023
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
I'm a big fan of PokerJournal now!
With a little practice and a little fine-tuning of the preferences, nothing is awkward to enter anymore. With the possible exception of start/end time, as if you scroll the wrong way for end time you can reset the start time and have to do it over. But its really starting to accumulate a lot of data now, and the filters are terrific for slicing and dicing it to tell you what you want to know, and the graphs are just fun. A friend and I have taken to flashing eachother our PJ graphs as a quick way to update on recent successes and failures. And the export to PC and Excel couldn't be easier, which is primo for archiving and tax records.
I haven't tried the competitors so I can't call it the "best". But its a great program and I'd recommend it.
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Yep, I got it man. I really like it too.
A question: How do you take shots of the graphs and stuff from the iPhone? I've done it before but can't work out how exactly I did.
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08-06-2010, 01:47 PM
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#191
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,023
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Between you, I and the rest of 2p2.... *shhhh keep it on the dlow* I have been beta testing PJ2.... Just wait and see is all I can say!!!!  If it wasn't the best before... its definately the best now! More to come when I am allowed to say stuff including screen shots. 
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Sweeet! Do you know if it will be a free update?
BTW nice PJ stats there too.
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08-06-2010, 01:52 PM
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#192
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 371
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Re: Winrates, bankrolls, and finances
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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando
... After calling a raise from a lagtard oop tonight I just had a feeling I was going to hit broadway. It came on the turn. Instinct. If I'd gone with logic I'd have folded my KTo...
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lol
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08-06-2010, 03:59 PM
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#193
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Cant Cflat Aint My Tone
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Team Blue Shark Optics @friscochris
Posts: 9,866
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando
Yep, I got it man. I really like it too.
A question: How do you take shots of the graphs and stuff from the iPhone? I've done it before but can't work out how exactly I did.
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Hold down the home button then hit the on/off button on top and you will see your screen flash. The pic will be in your album
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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando
Sweeet! Do you know if it will be a free update?
BTW nice PJ stats there too.
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Dont know the $ specifics, if it will be free or cost, but I will tell you this................ Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. I will ask the developer if I can post some screen shots or talk about specifics.
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08-06-2010, 04:05 PM
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#194
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The Situation
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Philly
Posts: 1,097
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
Not directly related to finances but I saw a post in this thread about keeping a notebook or binder to record session results including key hands etc. immediately after a session. I don't know if anyone has seen these but maybe someone is interested...they are for noting key hands you want to review later. If this belongs elsewhere please let me know.
Originals available here
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08-06-2010, 04:54 PM
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#195
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: beantown
Posts: 5,150
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***
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Originally Posted by cAmmAndo
Not directly related to finances but I saw a post in this thread about keeping a notebook or binder to record session results including key hands etc. immediately after a session. I don't know if anyone has seen these but maybe someone is interested...they are for noting key hands you want to review later. If this belongs elsewhere please let me know.
Originals available here
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^^^ Bringing these to a brick and mortar establishment will not be very kosher
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