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06-04-2012 , 09:12 PM
couple people itt need some attitude adjustments.
06-04-2012 , 09:22 PM
Money is money the more you have the less you care about losing it, if you play .25/.50 losing $200 is huge if you play 2/5 losing $200 is nothing.

But yeah thinking in terms of BI and BB is the best way to go about it otherwise you will eventually play scared.
06-04-2012 , 09:48 PM
Fine, I'll do the sensible thing. The guy obviously tilts me.
06-04-2012 , 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
couple people itt need some attitude adjustments.
Who? I want names. I'll straighten them out.
06-04-2012 , 10:01 PM
so my standard deviation is about 71 so far
06-04-2012 , 10:04 PM
Yawn, few hours left of work, hoping somebody links me to some good read poker wise before I get off. Talk to you boring people later
06-04-2012 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaUlater
Bah. You have no idea what you're talking about, and yet you continue to believe that you do.

When one game has standard deviation that's 10x or more than the other, it doesn't matter what the BI or bb is.

Yes, we would all like to pretend that we care about .25/.50 home game when our regular game is 5/10 or higher, but we simply don't.
learn the difference between "don't" and "should"

might help you out a bit
06-04-2012 , 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaUlater
Bah. You have no idea what you're talking about, and yet you continue to believe that you do.

When one game has standard deviation that's 10x or more than the other, it doesn't matter what the BI or bb is.

Yes, we would all like to pretend that we care about .25/.50 home game when our regular game is 5/10 or higher, but we simply don't.
how many buyins or bb's you win or lose over a decent sample is the representation of skill.

that's why you don't think in terms of money, but in terms of BBs; its the best representation of your skill that you will have

but keep thinking nobody cares about that, Im sure it will get you far
06-04-2012 , 10:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
so my standard deviation is about 71 so far
Hourly? Mine is over 300.
06-04-2012 , 10:17 PM
per 100 hands and that is in big blinds
06-04-2012 , 10:19 PM
standard deviation in $/hr is 100
06-04-2012 , 10:20 PM
You play .50/1.00 or something?
06-04-2012 , 10:22 PM
no 2/5
06-04-2012 , 10:31 PM
..So now that I'm hitting up the card house ten minuites down the road from me lately, I want to continue my poker learning.

Besides reading the HH's, posting HH's, and reading articles, can you guys advise what else I can do?

Are any of the DC videos good for live poker? CR? Maybe some kind of coach?
06-04-2012 , 10:35 PM
Think about the game
06-04-2012 , 10:38 PM
deposit like 500 bucks on revolution gaming, play 15nl or 10nl, and hire an aspiring 50nl coach. you can prolly find one for free.

learn to play FR/6m poker and then go from there

if you have the money, bluefirepoker is a great site to devolp your poker brain.

I would also recommend ignoring seeulaters strategy posts and you should probably ignore pokahallday aswell.

in general, learn to think critically.

the faq and saved strategy threads are also great places to learn.

there are also a number of great poker blogs to read

hokie greg has a great one, as does primordialAA. there is one more but I forget what it is; it was two brothers iirc

gl tho, and don't be afraid to ask questions
06-04-2012 , 10:43 PM
I have a membership at deucescracked, there is a lot of good info
06-04-2012 , 10:45 PM
just cashed out after only playing for a few hrs, nice to find have an extra 300 in my stack
06-04-2012 , 11:28 PM
Are there any good solid/winning regulars that you regularly see at your table at your local card room? I'm talking about people who you know are winning players, and who you respect. I mostly play 1/2 NL at Horseshoe Hammond and I am a regular. There are a group of about 5 guys all my age in their mid-20s that are regulars, are all good solid winning players, and could most likely crush 2/5 and 5/10 but currently just don't have the bankroll or whatever. I am friends with these guys and often talk to them when we are at the same table.

Do you ever watch them play out a hand and think "wtf were they thinking!?" they played it like a total fish. This happens from time to time, and it's pretty funny. Like the other day, an old nit who only 3bets with AA/KK, 4-bet one of these guys and he called off his stack, ~150bb with JJ... I was like wtf are you thinking he obviously has AA...

Does this ever happen to you guys? Maybe you have some stories to share...
06-04-2012 , 11:44 PM
It is completely subjective, people who are winning players might have meta game with another player that you are unaware of which leads to a hand playing out in a different manner.

People don't play their A game all the time and neither do you so don't be thinking "hurr durr what a donkey" think "I won't ever do that".
06-04-2012 , 11:47 PM
Well, just now.

after getting 4 SCs I decided to open for 20 in ep with 87. only 6 people cold called.

$160 543. bb donks 20. I thought 9:1 was too soft so popped to 80. mp colds. Button shoves $450.

Can you find a fold? I say one out is a call for kicks.

I shove for 250 more. MP colds again. I'm in 3rd place. AJ > 109 > 87

one out did not kick in.

Spoiler:
mp mucked not realizing there was a side pot. he fished them out of the muck but dealer said I get the side whilest I remained silent. No he did not show me the flush before mucking
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06-04-2012 , 11:49 PM
JFC. Second hand AA < 99. Get most of that back, and then up a little. Later lose with KK to QQ on a QJT board, and lost the minimum. Get all of that back. Then AA < KJ after I raise huge pre and the two biggest fish get in the pot. KKx board, first fish donks (he never leads a K - ever) so I call, then second fish calls. Oh, there's the king. I c/f turn and second fish shows his KJo.

Then the finale...the table was playing omaha every 9th hand. I hate that crap. I had crap omaha hands, so just folded them all. Started to decline my BB and rack up before the omaha hand, didn't, and get felted when I smack a set and flush draw and don't improve against a flopped straight. FML.
06-05-2012 , 12:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PayOffWizard1987
Are there any good solid/winning regulars that you regularly see at your table at your local card room? I'm talking about people who you know are winning players, and who you respect. I mostly play 1/2 NL at Horseshoe Hammond and I am a regular. There are a group of about 5 guys all my age in their mid-20s that are regulars, are all good solid winning players, and could most likely crush 2/5 and 5/10 but currently just don't have the bankroll or whatever. I am friends with these guys and often talk to them when we are at the same table.

Do you ever watch them play out a hand and think "wtf were they thinking!?" they played it like a total fish. This happens from time to time, and it's pretty funny. Like the other day, an old nit who only 3bets with AA/KK, 4-bet one of these guys and he called off his stack, ~150bb with JJ... I was like wtf are you thinking he obviously has AA...

Does this ever happen to you guys? Maybe you have some stories to share...
Not to be a dick, but running good for awhile at 1/2 doesn't mean you can crush 2/5 or 5/10 at the shoe. I don't know the player pool too well at 1/2 because it's so big and I'm not there long, but I've been in a few 1/2 games while waiting for something else and it's dreadful.

The shoe is littered with guys who think they are pretty good because they've put in a solid 300 hours at 1/2. Again, not trying to be arrogant, just giving fair warning.

Come give me a shout. I'll be some douche in a Michigan or Detroit hoodie at 2/5.
06-05-2012 , 12:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Well, just now.

after getting 4 SCs I decided to open for 20 in ep with 87. only 6 people cold called.

$160 543. bb donks 20. I thought 9:1 was too soft so popped to 80. mp colds. Button shoves $450.

Can you find a fold? I say one out is a call for kicks.

I shove for 250 more. MP colds again. I'm in 3rd place. AJ > 109 > 87

one out did not kick in.

Spoiler:
mp mucked not realizing there was a side pot. he fished them out of the muck but dealer said I get the side whilest I remained silent. No he did not show me the flush before mucking
.
I'm not sure how crazy this game typically is, but this a wa/wb situation, obv fold. You have no equity a crazy amount of the time here. You lose to every single flush. Your hand is a small step above red aces.

Last edited by ikestoys; 06-05-2012 at 12:26 AM. Reason: iPad posting
06-05-2012 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
just cashed out after only playing for a few hrs, nice to find have an extra 300 in my stack
that you didn't know you had?

I try to keep my chips in stacks of 20 for easy tracking but always seem to end up with 21 or 22 when I go to cash out. Makes for a nice surprise.

      
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