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04-12-2012 , 01:15 PM
I have been tracking my actual win rate and my equity adjusted win rate since I started playing full time. It recently occurred to me that I should probably also track my tobacco adjusted win rate. A 7 minute smoke break every 75 minutes is basically a 10% hit to my win rate! Damn.
04-12-2012 , 01:18 PM
Also smoking is ****ing expensive and worthless.

Quit smoking, and you increase your winrate not only the time spent away from the table but the cost of cigarettes.

Calculating your equity adjusted win rate is kind of pointless imo.
04-12-2012 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Punching the wall is ridiculous though, I am surprised you didn't get life banned
You said similar stuff to me when I confessed to/bragged about* berating an occasional fish. It's as if you have never lost your temper?

*I know it's wrong, but I am happy I at least do it with style, lol.
04-12-2012 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t

Calculating your equity adjusted win rate is kind of pointless imo.
If by pointless you mean somewhat more accurate than calculating your actual win rate, I agree.
04-12-2012 , 01:29 PM
Haha I actually only lose my temper at people who berate the fish! I called one guy a punk bitch for talking trash to some old guy who sucked out on him and he said "say that to my face" (we were sitting in like the 4 and 7 seats and not looking at one another) and I tell him to look over at me and he responds "why?" and somebody sitting next to him says "he is about to call you a punk bitch to your face". Basically he gets all pissed off and loses his temper and says I need to mind my own business and I tell him that what goes on at the table is my business and wtf is he going to do about it, by this time he is steaming and the floor manager comes over and gives the original douche bag a warning and asks me to simmer down.

TBH I am a very even keeled person but when somebody crosses the line I have severe anger management issues so I have spent a long time focusing on pushing that line back and back. Basically somebody needs to pick a fight with me and lay hands on me then it is game time.

Also, I have "crazy eyes" and when I get real heated people tend to back off, its weird. Furthermore the fact that I am like 6' 1" and weigh 200 pounds from lifting weights makes most people not talk **** to begin with.

I was a smoker for years and years then one day I realized that I hated waking up every morning feeling like **** so I quit pretty easily. I know why you smoke, and I know it makes you feel good but just remember this: You know you hate the fact that you smoke, and the best way to overcome personal traits that you dislike is to stop doing them.

If you dislike how you treat people at the table, treat them differently.

If you don't like the fact that you smoke, quit smoking.

It sounds absurd, but it is that easy. You just have to make the decision to do it and then work at it.
04-12-2012 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Also smoking is ****ing expensive and worthless.
Tell me about it. Have tried hard to quit several times. I am pretty much always either trying to quit or in between attempts.

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Quit smoking, and you increase your winrate not only the time spent away from the table but the cost of cigarettes.
Heh, it seems that I spend $2.65 a day on cigarettes, and $12-15 a day smoking them.
04-12-2012 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
If by pointless you mean somewhat more accurate than calculating your actual win rate, I agree.
Well I get to show down so often where only one person shows their cards that it is a huge guessing game and when people don't they are always lying about that stuff. I just have no idea if they are being honest or not so I am basically ball parking what my equity would which means it is based on my assumptions and who knows if my assumptions are correct!
04-12-2012 , 01:32 PM
Tbh this is how I quit: I spend one day just chain smoking cigarettes and drinking as much as possible and the next day I am unbelievably hung over and my lungs hurt so I have absolutely no desire to smoke for a day or two and then I just stay inside on the third day and don't get around nicotine. after the third day you are on easy street.
04-12-2012 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Tell me about it. Have tried hard to quit several times. I am pretty much always either trying to quit or in between attempts.



Heh, it seems that I spend $2.65 a day on cigarettes, and $12-15 a day smoking them.
That is like well over a grand a year
04-12-2012 , 01:44 PM
I had a good 2/5 session last night. Mainly I just ran good. I didn't really have any interesting spots except one hand I played against a fish where I may have butchered the turn and river while holding the nuts. I even sucked out on a guy while all in for the first time in forever.
04-12-2012 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I have been tracking my actual win rate and my equity adjusted win rate since I started playing full time. It recently occurred to me that I should probably also track my tobacco adjusted win rate. A 7 minute smoke break every 75 minutes is basically a 10% hit to my win rate! Damn.
I recall at MGM LV, a brit tourist was leaning back in his chair, holding his cigarette over the rail. After the hand he would stand up, lean over and smoke. No one objected; the cigarette was technically outside the non-smoking poker room.
04-12-2012 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
A 7 minute smoke break every 75 minutes is basically a 10% hit to my win rate! Damn.
Last week I'm playing with a guy who gets up to go for smoke a few times and every single time he comes back from his smoke break he gets dealt a big hand (AA, QQ, AK). Card dead me joked that I needed to take up smoking.
04-12-2012 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
I recall at MGM LV, a brit tourist was leaning back in his chair, holding his cigarette over the rail. After the hand he would stand up, lean over and smoke. No one objected; the cigarette was technically outside the non-smoking poker room.
Heh, I don't think I'd try this. Most of the dealers get pretty irritated when they are dealing near the rail and they can smell someone's smoke.

They have signs posted outside the poker room, which is separated from the pit only by the waist-high rail, "no smoking within 5 feet of rail." The floor personnel will enforce the five foot rule if they see someone violating it, but they are usually too busy.
04-12-2012 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Last week I'm playing with a guy who gets up to go for smoke a few times and every single time he comes back from his smoke break he gets dealt a big hand (AA, QQ, AK). Card dead me joked that I needed to take up smoking.
I had a session like that back in December, iirc. Took maybe 5 or 6 smoke breaks and got AQs, AKs, AA and JJ as my first hand back from 4 of them.
04-12-2012 , 02:42 PM
I was playing at a table at about 10am on a monday (about a year ago), there was only 1 table going besides the tourney tables. I was with my friend, and to give a quick summary of him that relates to this story: He's 21, had never smoked a cigarette in his life, was completely anti-smoking, always gave me **** about smoking, and literally would not believe that smoking had any calming/soothing/physical effect beyond detrimental health problems; he thought that was all a myth and that the only reason anyone would smoke was for appearances. He does drink and smoke pot but "those things make you feel something", yeah he can be pretty stubborn. Anyway,

We're at the table and it's mostly regs since it's 10am monday morning, though there are some reg fishies and tbh, I actually find it easier to play against a lot of the $1/2 regs because they're just so straightforward and I was relatively unknown to the player pool at this point. So after about an hour, my buddy takes a piss or whatever, comes back and taps me on the shoulder and says "Hey man, you wanna go hack a butt?" (slang for smoke a cig for you foreigners) with a ****-eating grin on his face. Just on reflex I say something along the lines of "You're ****ing ******ed dude, you've got to be kidding me." and he gets really embarrassed. I had quit smoking at this point but I wasn't saying this out of health concerns (mostly), just because of the absolute hipocrisy in how much **** he'd given me about smoking (my brief summary doesn't even allude to the frequency at which he'd go off on me for smoking).

So we get into this kind of half-assed sarcastic argument about how ******ed he is after all the **** he gave me throughout life, and it wasn't really apparent to me at the time that the whole table was listening and I made him look like an idiot... my bad, but I guess he does kind of deserve it. The weirdest thing of it all is how he started smoking... He literally just was driving home one day and thought "I'm gonna buy a pack" after never having smoked a cig in his life. Maybe that's not as weird to some of you, but out of everyone I've ever known who has started smoking, I don't know a single one who started in this way... they all started by smoking when drunk or at parties or had a friend who offered them a drag or whatever. But damn, what a re-re. Last time I saw him he had told me he since quit after one of those cliche "I wasn't necessarily addicted, but it was beginning to take it's hold" kinda confessions. He admitted to being ******ed at least.

Another pointless Canoodles anecdote... god why do i write these?
04-12-2012 , 03:01 PM
tl;dr ^

mpethy needs to quit smoking IMO. add some years onto your life bruh. Means more poker. In fact do some math on your life/death equity. Avg life expectancy of smoker to non-smoker then do all that multiplication crap on your win rate, etc etc, and figure out that its about tree fiddy, etc etc.
04-12-2012 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I had a session like that back in December, iirc. Took maybe 5 or 6 smoke breaks and got AQs, AKs, AA and JJ as my first hand back from 4 of them.
And yet they plaster cigarette boxes with pictures of decaying lungs and such. Why no balance / truth in advertising and post pictures of awesome after-smoke-break poker hands?

Gletthepeoplehaveallthefactsanddecideforthemselves ,that'swhatIsayG
04-12-2012 , 03:28 PM
I'm the squarest one here.

Never smoked (not weed either, although I'm pretty sure it's our national flower).

Never drank.

Sometimes when I dance I raise my arms/hands above my head. If I'm feeling really crazy.

Gplususeswordslike"square"G
04-12-2012 , 03:36 PM
The most valueless drug out there is tobacco IMO. Most drugs have some value, whether they open your consciousness or make you have a good time... the only reason why tobacco ever tries to place itself in one of these categories is because people that have already gotten addicted to it can't find these things without it. That's been my experience anyway, I'm not hating on smokers and I have copehagen wintergreen currently resting in my lower lip so I'm clearly not one to preach against it, but it's truly worthless if you've never done it before... The positive effects (beyond the head rush/relaxation/whatever you want to call it) are pretty negligible and I don't think can be outweighed against the negatives, where you could probably make a case for something like alcohol being a net positive in a lot of people's lives even though it has loads of negative effects too (in excess).
04-12-2012 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I'm the squarest one here.

Never smoked (not weed either, although I'm pretty sure it's our national flower).

Never drank.

Sometimes when I dance I raise my arms/hands above my head. If I'm feeling really crazy.

Gplususeswordslike"square"G
Nit Anthem for GG by APD

You put your arms up in the air sometimes, saying "Hey O, I'm a Nit Yo."
You want to celebrate and live your life but, "Hey O, Your a Nit Yo."

I came to nit nit nit nit
I hit the felt cuz thats my plan plan plan plan
I'm playing all my favorite cards cards card cards
Aces and Kings consist of all my hands hands hands hands
This goes on and on and on
Nittin in my thong tha thong tha thong!

You put your arms up in the air sometimes, saying "Hey O, I'm a Nit Yo."
You want to celebrate and live your life but, "Hey O, Your a Nit Yo."

You came to tag it up, you won't play all night, cuz when it's 3pm the LAGs come to fight
It's a reggish game, the kind you like, when the LAGs come in you run in fright
You told us once, now you'll tell us twice
my range right there is so freakin tight

Won't make a move move move move
Fold your hand when I raise raise raise raise
When I'm in the hand its the nuts nuts nuts nuts
When I'm at home my hand is on my nuts nuts nuts nuts
This goes on and on and on
Me and my nuts in my thong tha thong tha thong!

You put your arms up in the air sometimes, saying "Hey O, I'm a Nit Yo."
You want to celebrate and live your life but, "Hey O, Your a Nit Yo."

You came to tag it up, you won't play all night, cuz when it's 3pm the LAGs come to fight
It's a reggish game, the kind you like, when the LAGs come in you run in fright
You told us once, now you'll tell us twice
my range right there is so freakin tight


I'm gonna take it slow
This variance won't last forever
How'd you make that call?
Go ahead and keep on calling
Cuz I'yi yi will raise it
But I'yi yi won't call it
I just want it all
But I can't make that call
Gonna try and put my hands in the air, my hands in the air
Please dont let my hands go in the air!!!!

You put your arms up in the air sometimes, saying "Hey O, I'm a Nit Yo."
You want to celebrate and live your life but, "Hey O, Your a Nit Yo."

You came to tag it up, you won't play all night, cuz when it's 3pm the LAGs come to fight
It's a reggish game, the kind you like, when the LAGs come in you run in fright
You told us once, now you'll tell us twice
my range right there is so freakin tight


And because you're nitty I will hook you up with the link so you know what I'm talking about. Would be awesome if someone turned the Nit Anthem into a song.

04-12-2012 , 05:39 PM
Ha ha, awesome.

Gcourse,youshouldknowthatsquaresain'texactlybigonr apG
04-12-2012 , 06:04 PM
On a sick 50 hour heater.

Funny part of it all is that everyone is paying me off even with my huge overbets.

Image for the win!
04-12-2012 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Do you play in a 500 cap game? I think 50/hr is about the ceiling for a 500 cap game, 1k is obvious a ton different.

The thing I've noticed over the past year is how many more people will buy in for 200-400 instead of 500 in my local 2/5 game. It sucks hard.
Yeah $500 cap game.

Occasionally we have a $5/5 $1K max but it doesn't happen often.
04-12-2012 , 06:24 PM
If I have access to a frequent $500 cap game, I am confident that I can beat it at close to $50/hr.
04-12-2012 , 06:25 PM
Me three

      
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