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Old 04-12-2012, 02:24 AM   #12551
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It's just amazing how badly I run right now.

Tonight in 3 hours:
semi-bluffed a 12-outer (fd + overcard vs top pair) and missed
ran AKo into AA 5-handed, vs the only other aggressive player at the table
lost with 66 in a re-raised pot (I opened to $15 and called $25 more) when the board ran out 6-5-2-5-A, and he got there on the river.

I'm down $4550 in my last 7 hours of play, stretching back to Sunday night. It's pretty ****ing hard to lose 9+ buy-ins in like 220 hands.

As I was cashing out (after the 66 hand) I took my fist, aimed it at the wall and gave it my thoughts. It was a cheap drywall and I made a hole, oops. Security detained me and made me pay $300 damage, but didn't charge me any further (standard 24-hour ban). I didn't think that cheap wall costs $300 to fix, so when they had two guys escort me to the parking lot afterwards, I deliberately walked as slowly as possible to protest, and when we got to the elevator, I took the stairs instead and made them climb 3 floors with me.

You could say I'm having a bad week.
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:33 AM   #12552
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Damn that sucks your running bad. Your lucky they didn't 86 you. Why do you hit stuff when you lose? I know that's a dumb question right now. So don't bother answering.

Hope your 24 hour ban helps you dig out of your hole this weekend.
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Old 04-12-2012, 03:04 AM   #12553
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It's just amazing how badly I run right now.

Tonight in 3 hours:
semi-bluffed a 12-outer (fd + overcard vs top pair) and missed
ran AKo into AA 5-handed, vs the only other aggressive player at the table
lost with 66 in a re-raised pot (I opened to $15 and called $25 more) when the board ran out 6-5-2-5-A, and he got there on the river.

I'm down $4550 in my last 7 hours of play, stretching back to Sunday night. It's pretty ****ing hard to lose 9+ buy-ins in like 220 hands.

As I was cashing out (after the 66 hand) I took my fist, aimed it at the wall and gave it my thoughts. It was a cheap drywall and I made a hole, oops. Security detained me and made me pay $300 damage, but didn't charge me any further (standard 24-hour ban). I didn't think that cheap wall costs $300 to fix, so when they had two guys escort me to the parking lot afterwards, I deliberately walked as slowly as possible to protest, and when we got to the elevator, I took the stairs instead and made them climb 3 floors with me.

You could say I'm having a bad week.
that sucks. You should call management and ask to see the work order form for the repair. They will do it themselves so they were paying the maintenance man anyway.
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Old 04-12-2012, 03:09 AM   #12554
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The only bad thing about playing in big rooms is that there are way more good players as people have mentioned. So game selection comes into play more because you can end up in a game that is all relatively good players.

Of course you also get the benefit of getting to game select into really great games that are full of way more fish with way more money than the smaller rooms (which usually corresponds to less wealth in the surrounding area) in the larger rooms. Obviously the tradeoff is distinctly in favor of the larger rooms, but there may be something to PB's notion that the smaller rooms are "easier" to beat for a small win-rate. But harder/impossible to beat for the larger rates that major market rooms give you the chance for.
This is pretty much it. I think pros move to places for a general idea of the biggest games that are played there with the expectation that they can work their way up.

Vegas is a classic example. The games are really not that good, but there's a lot of them and The Big Game was there for so long.
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Old 04-12-2012, 03:21 AM   #12555
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Phil lakk is on a sick 16 hour heater. The guy always gets paid off idk how they don't think he is a nit. 33A56 phil bets 15k on the river and a pro jp kelly calls wtf, some of these pros are worse then low stakes players.
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Old 04-12-2012, 03:49 AM   #12556
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Why do you hit stuff when you lose? I know that's a dumb question right now.
I get violent when I run that badly. It's something I've never been able to change.
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:06 AM   #12557
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The only guy in here making 50$ an hour is probably Sabr and that's because he is way over rolled for his game.
Just saw this.

What the hell? What does bankroll have to do with winrate? It's difficult to play optimally on a short roll, but having a bigger bankroll doesn't magically make you win more.

I'm over rolled because I have a high winrate and therefore grow my roll quickly. And I have a high winrate because of skill level. Most players with my skill level (online mid-stakes winner) are playing higher than $2/5 live.
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:18 AM   #12558
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You have no idea if you can beat the game for more than 50/hour... and 50/hour would be a great ****ing win rate. Anything over 20/hour at 2/5 is good tbqh. That's the equivalent of 13bb/100 win rate, which is a massive, massive winner in online.
People have huge misconceptions of what a good, sustainable win rate is.
It's true that most people have misconceptions of what a sustainable winrate is. They go on a heater over 50 hours and think it's sustainable.

But live winrates are totally incomparable to online winrates. The typical live player is 10 times worse and makes mistakes that 95% of online players never make. And sometimes you can get a sick live tell on someone that allows you to make a big hero call/laydown which will significantly affect your bottom line. People who are slight losers online can easily beat live $1/2 just by playing TAG, and online rakeback pros can crush $2/5 live. So if you take an actual online winner (beating $2/4 online) he's going to destroy $2/5 live.

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QFT.
Like another subject, there are two type of people. Those that admit they don't win 10BB/hr over time and those that lie about it.
I'd bet any amount of money that my sustainable winrate at $2/5 is > 10bb/hr.
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:26 AM   #12559
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Just saw this.

What the hell? What does bankroll have to do with winrate? It's difficult to play optimally on a short roll, but having a bigger bankroll doesn't magically make you win more.

I'm over rolled because I have a high winrate and therefore grow my roll quickly. And I have a high winrate because of skill level. Most players with my skill level (online mid-stakes winner) are playing higher than $2/5 live.
Bankroll has a lot to do with winrate. If you have a huge roll 60+ buyins you can push edges most can't with a 20 buyin roll.

I didn't mean to point you out. The guys are giving me a hard time about my 6bb hourly and basically where flaming me so I tried to fight back asking for their winrates since 6bb is not enough for my game. Nobody posted their winrate. They just like needling me,lol.
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:34 AM   #12560
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Well I already stated that having a short roll makes it hard to play optimally because to play optimally you have to push small edges. But being over rolled doesn't make you win more by default (although chances are if you're over rolled it's because you win more so it's kind of cyclical). If you have one mirrion dollars you won't magically win more than if you had $30K (for $2/5). Maybe you just worded it badly because it sounded like you were suggesting that.
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:42 AM   #12561
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Yeah I worded it wrong. I was actually blaming my 6bb wr on the structure. Not my br, my roll is sufficient enough to crush a regular structure 2/5 game. But the consensus said otherwise. They think I just suck,lol.
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:54 AM   #12562
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The structure is fine because it is compensated by the abundance of tables, and hence why I believe that it's possible to reach high WR. Plus even you claimed that you did for a year at 10bb/hr.

Btw, if commerce allows you to rathole when you switch tables, why not just SS it and take advantage of the system?
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:55 AM   #12563
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well sucking is relative

I suck compared to Tom Dwan, but in my $2/5 game I might as well be Tom Dwan

beating $2/5 game for 6bb/hr is pretty solid, if unspectacular
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:58 AM   #12564
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Btw pokah, I was never knocking on your WR, I just said that the game condition makes it sound like the WR could be higher.

6bb/hr is literally way ahead of 99% of players in my room.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:06 AM   #12565
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The structure is fine because it is compensated by the abundance of tables, and hence why I believe that it's possible to reach high WR. Plus even you claimed that you did for a year at 10bb/hr.

Btw, if commerce allows you to rathole when you switch tables, why not just SS it and take advantage of the system?
Maybe your right, maybe your wrong. I play a lower variance style now. Before I was playing laggy, raising any combo draw/fd postflop. My utg range included 109s+, my button range consisted of any Kxs and I was raising all decent connectors. I used to limp a lot of hands,too. I stopped limping and tightened up oop/ip and postflop, I feel like a nit now compared to my old game. until I reach 120bigs+. I open up, but a lot of the time I don't get to a 120bigs.

Also,Before I didn't use an effective stack strategy. Which my game is based on now. I won't limp unless I'm getting incredible odds/100bigs+.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:08 AM   #12566
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Yep, sounds like you're adjusting poorly without merit and that may be the reason why your WR is what it is.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:10 AM   #12567
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Btw pokah, I was never knocking on your WR, I just said that the game condition makes it sound like the WR could be higher.

6bb/hr is literally way ahead of 99% of players in my room.
What makes it frustrating is I think I could pull 10bbs an hour. That's why you guys where tilting me. Ever since my second kid was born 4/14/10 I don't play wreckless anymore.

My 3bet range was 1010+,AQs+. I don't even 3bet anymore unless I don't want to play a huge hand multiway from the blinds.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:12 AM   #12568
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You really shouldn't take any 5/10 shots...
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:16 AM   #12569
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Why I made 10k overall in 2 weekends last year. I like the 5/10 game because its deeper. As soon as I sit down I'm opening pots. I won't do that with a 40bb stack.

I'm giving myself to june. If I run hot I'm going to the world series.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:21 AM   #12570
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Umm...good luck.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:24 AM   #12571
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Umm...good luck.
Lol, same thing I say every year, when I plan to go to the series. Then I always run bad in the months of may/june. I need all the luck in the world.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:27 AM   #12572
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I always tell my buddy not to sit in those huge PLO games, but he never listens, so I just say "good luck."
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:33 AM   #12573
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I always tell my buddy not to sit in those huge PLO games, but he never listens, so I just say "good luck."
I felt that in your post. That's why I lol'ed. Because I know what you mean.

Do you know how hard it is not to sit in the 5/10 game when I go to commerce? Omg its like the worst feeling. Sometimes I start walking to the top section and just turn around. Sometimes I go up there just to ss, Then reality sits in, I realize I'm not in the right situation to play up there.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:36 AM   #12574
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My results and the level of my play seem to have an inverse relationship. I ran hot for six weeks, was happy that I was winning, but got somewhat down on myself because I felt like I leaked a dollar away for every dollar I won.

I've hit a mild/moderate break-even stretch since then, but I feel like I've been rapidly improving and plugging postflop leaks during it. I had my biggest career loss this week, but was proud of myself, as I felt like I made the fewest mistakes I've made during a session in a long time.

Does anyone else feel like they learn the most in the face of adversity (negative results in a poker player's case)?
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:38 AM   #12575
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I hate to lose. Only thing that make's me sane is pokerstove review. Without it, I would have been tilted off my roll.
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