I played with a young guy in Tunica a year or two ago who was...well, just not very bright in a not his fault/brain damaged kind of way. I stacked him once, and saw his reaction to losing $100, and honestly I felt bad. I know it isn't my responsibility to run the lives of others, but after sitting with him and a few others like him, I knew that this is something I could never do for my main source of income.

I've been that speech-slurring drunk who has no business being at the table, and if one of the regs kindly told me that "it might be a good idea to pack it in for the night", I would've told them to eat my **** tbh... Nothing you can do unless it's to the point where the person is clearly a danger to themselves and/or others. They made the decision to be there under their own capacity.

I might leave the table if I really didn't want to play with the slobbering drunk, but I would never try to get him to leave. Whoever said that's a sure way to make everyone else at the table hate you is right.

one of the guys who is a regfish (i think he play like 3-4 times a week) is probally mentally retarted. According to the other players at the table he was always a terrible player but has alot of money. His game and mental condition got alot worse after he had a stroke. Maybe this makes me a dick but i am always super happy when he sits down on my table b/c he is effectivly dead money.

drunks are the reason i love playing on friday and saturday nites. They are effectivly giving away their money

I remember playing in a 2/4 limit game with a totally drunk spewy noob. It was late at night, the second table broke so I was moved to his game. He was a goldmine, and early on I flopped the nut flush against another guys 3rd nut flush against drunky's total air and every street drunky and I managed to cap, even the river where drunky bet/3bet/folded (lol, awesome), all the while trapping the 3rd nut flush in the hand. The problem was that the guy was. So. Slow. Unbelievable slow. It was painful. And since my enjoyment of the game >>> making money (and lol, did I mention this was 2/4 limit?), I left the table.

I don't think it's my moral responsibility to judge whether someone should be in a game or not, I'll leave that to the room. After all, where would we draw the line? Wouldn't we also have to alert the room to a horrible horrible horrible whale who is just spewing money cuz he simply has no clue how to play the game? In the end, the villain made his own decision; he decided to drink, get drunk and sit in a card game with real money. It's a free world (or, at least, it should be).

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idk what to tell you other than I guess my local cardroom is a unique dynamic, in that the recreational players prefer the faster pace of play, as most of them play multiple times a week and value their recreational time in that more hands to play = a better experience.

it would be nicer is uber fish strolled along more often in the games that get 20 hands an hour, but I dunno how many uber fish could make up for the difference in the hands per hour. That adds up a lot over a year, such that the games would have to be a lot softer I think.

Even with a time bank, I still doubt your getting 12 more hands an hour.

even with a shuffle machine to post change decks etc... takes about 20 seconds

I too call shenanigans on 40 hands an hour in a nl game

I thought off south park when i heard these. Do Americans actually use this word?

As frequent as every other sentence.

Never saw 40, but I did see 30-35 consistently for a few months.

Whenever possible.

As for drunk/incapacitated players, I believe it is a grey area. Poker is an amoral game (if you think that is the same as immoral, get a dictionary). At the highest levels, the skill level is so close that exploiting those who aren't playing their "A" is a significant factor to winning. That includes players who are drunk or on life tilt. For a high level pro, surrendering such an advantage would result in essentially ending their life as a high level pro. Limon exemplifies this attitude. Since there is nothing in the rules about that requires players to notify anyone if they notice another is not playing ideally, there is no reason they have to.

At the same, many people have a moral code that goes beyond what is allowed in poker. It compels them to not take what is considered unfair advantage of others. All debates on whether you should mention if you can see another player's cards, telling the floor about incapacitated players, etc. rests upon these two perspectives. Neither side is going to convince the other.

I respect both positions. That said, if your goal is to reach the top of the poker world, you have to recognize that your opponents are going to be more like Limon as you move up and to make it, you'll have to be like him too. It is up to the individual to decide whether the price is worth it.

Exactly. I do not think less of anyone who chooses differently than I do. I will admit that I have no issue hammering drunks, as that is something they have chosen to do to themselves.
Someone who is mentally incompetent in some way...well, I have a brother with significant brain trauma (age 47 with a mind of a 3 yo), so I grew up interacting with many who had limited mental faculties. While my brother could never end up at a poker table (although he did learn to play a mean game of Uno years ago), I met many who maybe could, and I simply could not take advantage of someone like that.

I am on the road this week and cannot play, so I have been doing some analysis of my recent results to look for trends and maybe find a leak or two.

Over the past two months, the size of my average winning session has dropped, but I have had only 3 losing sessions (2 of which were much greater than my average winning session). Oddly enough, over the past month, I have lost almost every pot where I have seen a flop with AA/KK/QQ. In the winning sessions, the pots were small, larger in the losing sessions.
In all sessions, my SD% has been significantly lower than what I have ran at over the past year, but my winning % at SD has remained roughly the same. (Note: my stats aren't 100% accurate as I know I miss some hands, and I also know that two months isn't a decent sample size - I do this mainly for amusement).

Overall, I am pretty pleased because I have made very few big hands (2 sets total in my last 8 sessions), yet I am still finding ways to win pots (hence why my SD % has dropped).

I think I may be playing a little too tight, and with my current image, I think I can 3bet certain regular villains light a little more often.

Oh, the biggie - since July, I feel like I have vastly improved how I play SCs and small PPs thanks to some input from the board and some coaching from a certain board member. Those hands were shredding me during a downswing, and I am now being more selective about when I play them, and I have ramped up my aggression with them more frequently.

Made a big trip into a gray area today. Drunk fish getting a massage showed me his cards accidently, and then tried to bluff me with a 600 dollar bet. I called with ace high.

Nice 1.7k day though.

I think this kind of goes beyond the grey area...

If you're drunk, throwing huge bluffs and not protecting your hand, it's your problem when things go poorly, not mine.

It's not like I was tryin to see his cards.

Played a lot laggier preflop last night than I had in a long time. Had many situations vs multiple limpers with ~30 BB shortstacks (all who sucked terribly) where I would raise to ~10 BBs with the plan of shoving any flop. KQ < 54o (A32 flop), AK < 86o (966 flop), KQ < 53o (249 flop, 6 turn), and even a 30 BB preflop all-in vs a BB who thought I was lightly opening the button (KQ < JT, Jxx flop).

Another fun hand was I bet/bet my weak A on an A high drawy board vs a straightforward passive, only to hit the single card in the deck (paired my kicker which brings in flush) that would cause me to thinly value bet the river (instead of checking behind). At least I folded to the check/raise (villain didn't show either, hmmm, at least I don't think he was bluffing).

But the funnest was my AJs seeing a 6 way flop for 5 BBs each, JJT flop, I'm in second place and stayed there (lost a BI on that one).

It's funny how poker works. 3 of the last 4 sessions, the tables hasn't been particularly good, and yet I killed (admittedly I did do two river suckouts in two decent sized pots). Last night, the table was awesome, but all I did was slowly piss off 2 BIs to the extremely poor players who then eventually shipped them to the better players.

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How in the heck is this "beyond the grey area". You're in a hand with rando drunk he shows you his hand. You're just going to say "don't bet/bluff I saw your hand, lets just check it down".
Definitely the players responsibility to protect their cards.

Honest to god if I told this guy I knew what he had he probably doesn't believe me and shoves anyways.

From the last page of drunks slowing down the game, I have a pretty funny story.

Sat down and there was this guy that may or may not have been drunk, but he was definitely on something. He never knew when it was his action/bet sizes/etc. Whenever he'd be involved in a pot and the action would get to him he called the clock on himself. (Happened at least 5 times, everyone at the table was getting really aggravated.) He was a nice guy and I was being friendly with him, I finally said how about I just count down everytime its your turn to act. Another guy at the table said he'd give me $1 every orbit if I would do this.

Drunk guy agreed to it, and I said you have 10sec every time action is on you he laughed and said make it 15seconds. This was a lot better than having floor come over and count down from a minute. So for the next 10 or so orbits guy payed for my small blind and I kept the action going pretty quickly. Although counting to 15 is pretty hard.

I think what would mess me up is verbally saying "mississippi" that many times.

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Booked my first big win since coming back to live poker last night. ran $120 up to ~$700 before cashing out $620 by practicing some good quitting. Took me two rounds to actually rack up my chips after I decided to call it a night but all in all pretty happy with my play.

My BR has grown from 2BI to 8.5BI in just over a week. Shots at 2/5 coming soon (no not really).