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11-27-2019 , 12:40 AM
Hi everyone,

This hand isn’t anything special but I thought it’d be fun to mix it up with a PAHWM. Played at an 18+ casino

Main Villain: LAG. Asian. Covers table with $800. ($300 cap) Has been betting and raising quite a bit in the hour that I’ve been at table, but haven’t seen anything notable, like an airball bluff. Probably a 2/5 caliber player.

Hero: LAG. $350. Raised 4-5 times in the hour that I’ve been at the table, went to showdown with AQ and won a medium sized pot. Nothing too significant.

Hero raises to $20 UTG +1 over a limp. Villain snap raises to $100 in MP. Fold to me. Hero?
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11-27-2019 , 12:45 AM
Call. CRAI on any flop.
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11-27-2019 , 12:49 AM
Against really bad players I like to rip it here because they dont have a 3bet/fold range. If you think this guy is a capable LAG then call.
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11-27-2019 , 12:53 AM
All in, AINEC
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11-27-2019 , 01:01 AM
Ya, it’s simple. You have two decisions at this stack depth.
Ship now. Or check/jam any flop.
I think jam now is best.
Just like we’d do with many other weaker hands.
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11-27-2019 , 06:00 AM
Jam.
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11-27-2019 , 07:36 AM
Can someone explain to me why they like jamming here against a LAG? Doesn’t it make sense to let him catch up with weaker holdings such as broadways/ give him the chance to bluff? I’m not too worried about him drawing out on me or balancing my ranges at this level
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11-27-2019 , 07:45 AM
No one is worried about getting drawn out on. The relevant question is which line more reliably gets us all in. Most seem to think the best way to do that is to shove preflop. I disagree.

If you’ve been active and he is a LAG his 3 betting range in position can be very wide. I also think his C bet % will be close to 100 if you check to him on the flop and SPR is only about 1.25. Sticking $350 in preflop from early position will allow him to correctly fold too many hands IMO.
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11-27-2019 , 10:48 AM
Won't be hard to get it all in by river in this spot - Given our image, I like a jam pre flop here. But calling and letting V hang himself on the flop isn't a bad option either.
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11-27-2019 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Brocktoon
No one is worried about getting drawn out on. The relevant question is which line more reliably gets us all in. Most seem to think the best way to do that is to shove preflop. I disagree.

If you’ve been active and he is a LAG his 3 betting range in position can be very wide. I also think his C bet % will be close to 100 if you check to him on the flop and SPR is only about 1.25. Sticking $350 in preflop from early position will allow him to correctly fold too many hands IMO.
It’s more complicated than this though. There’s tons of flops that will slow V down with a ton of his holdings. There’s also a ton of flops that V will cbet/fold or check down after his cbet. We also might, you know, lose the hand.
If this guy is a 2/5 caliber player he’d be a pretty bad one if he’s 5x 3!’ing an UTG+1 open and then folding. If he wants to give us the $125 instead of calling the $250 on top we win with 0% risk. It’s fine either way.

But imo as long as all the money gets in ASAP, it’s fine however it happens. I just think there’s more benefits to forcing V to make his decision before he sees a flop rather than after in this specific spot. He probably has 10’s-KK.
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11-27-2019 , 12:18 PM
With our laggy image, I think I lean to jam now. I just don't think most are capable of sticking in 1/3rd of their stack to fold preflop, especially against a lag. I'm basically worried about stuff like AK perhaps giving up on the flop if flatted, or stuff like JJ seeing an A/K/Q high flop and not getting in the rest of the chips. I think if we had more of a nitty image I'd more lean to flatting.

Gbutaslongaswedon'tfoldIdoubtwecanscrewthisupG
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11-27-2019 , 12:25 PM
I really doubt he's folding anything to a shove that he 3-bet 5x with. Get it in now is the standard line here and I think anything else is FPS.
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11-27-2019 , 01:41 PM
Calling a 5X 3b may look stronger than jamming, potentially slowing the V and risking a flop X/X. For 117 bbs eff, I'd lean toward gii.
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11-27-2019 , 02:57 PM
Looks like everyone likes a preflop shove. Fine, I don’t think it makes much of a difference to our bottom line. What happened anyway? This hand doesn’t seem all that interesting and is almost impossible to screw up too badly after the posted action.
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11-27-2019 , 03:39 PM
Thanks everyone, I get why jamming was best now. This isn’t going to be my only mistake in the hand

AP Hero calls.

($195) Flop K85hh. I don’t have the A of hearts. Your play?
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11-27-2019 , 03:45 PM
The biggest reason to flat preflop is to encourage him to keep bluffing if he has nothing or to overvalue weaker hands. So, as played, I check (to shove in whatever is left after his bet).

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11-27-2019 , 03:48 PM
This flop is great if V has AK (12 combos), but it sucks if V has KK (3), QQ (6) or JJ (6).

I guess I check and let him bet (obv never folding) but if he checks it back I kick myself all the way home for FPS.
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11-27-2019 , 06:16 PM
Flop is fine. CRAI happily.
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11-27-2019 , 06:24 PM
Who 3b from $20 to $100 and then folds for $250 more? If you have AK in your range at all then V can't fold any JJ+/AK and probably sigh calls with AQ too after putting in that much. If you have AK here you want to see all five cards so I doubt you're just calling pre. Slide all the chips in there. If you were deeper and in position I'd be more likely to consider a call pre, but V just made this hand way too easy for you.
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11-27-2019 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Who 3b from $20 to $100 and then folds for $250 more? If you have AK in your range at all then V can't fold any JJ+/AK and probably sigh calls with AQ too after putting in that much. If you have AK here you want to see all five cards so I doubt you're just calling pre. Slide all the chips in there. If you were deeper and in position I'd be more likely to consider a call pre, but V just made this hand way too easy for you.

Fair enough, I agree in hindsight.
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11-27-2019 , 09:30 PM
AP Hero checks and Villain bets $100. I have $250 behind.. are any of you guys just flatting here?
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11-27-2019 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
AP Hero checks and Villain bets $100. I have $250 behind.. are any of you guys just flatting here?
Never. Always CRAI here. Be happy that V made it easy for you.
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11-27-2019 , 10:03 PM
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AP Hero checks and Villain bets $100. I have $250 behind.. are any of you guys just flatting here?
No
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11-27-2019 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey
This flop is great if V has AK (12 combos), but it sucks if V has KK (3), QQ (6) or JJ (6).
How are there 12 combos of AK when we have AA and board has K? By my math there are 6 combos left.
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11-27-2019 , 10:08 PM
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AP Hero checks and Villain bets $100. I have $250 behind.. are any of you guys just flatting here?
No.
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