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04-12-2012 , 12:45 AM
Idk, I'm just mad that I can't beat my game for 50$ an hour. Maybe I'm not good enough. Maybe you guys are right, its not making me happy, that is all.
04-12-2012 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Idk, I'm just mad that I can't beat my game for 50$ an hour. Maybe I'm not good enough. Maybe you guys are right, its not making me happy, that is all.
You have no idea if you can beat the game for more than 50/hour... and 50/hour would be a great ****ing win rate. Anything over 20/hour at 2/5 is good tbqh. That's the equivalent of 13bb/100 win rate, which is a massive, massive winner in online.

People have huge misconceptions of what a good, sustainable win rate is.
04-12-2012 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
You have no idea if you can beat the game for more than 50/hour... and 50/hour would be a great ****ing win rate. Anything over 20/hour at 2/5 is good tbqh. That's the equivalent of 13bb/100 win rate, which is a massive, massive winner in online.

People have huge misconceptions of what a good, sustainable win rate is.
QFT.

Like another subject, there are two type of people. Those that admit they don't win 10BB/hr over time and those that lie about it.
04-12-2012 , 12:59 AM
Yeah Ike that's valid and I agree. Wife plays about 30 hrs a week in a 5/5 where buy in is 500-1500 and stacks get deep. She's very good and even in that game 50/hour is hard.
04-12-2012 , 01:02 AM
Argh i'd kill to get in that game.
04-12-2012 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
QFT.

Like another subject, there are two type of people. Those that admit they don't win 10BB/hr over time and those that lie about it.
I don't. I do well over all, but I am making under $30/hour in 1/3. Running about $25-30 in 2/5 with a small sample size.
04-12-2012 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jihad
Yeah Ike that's valid and I agree. Wife plays about 30 hrs a week in a 5/5 where buy in is 500-1500 and stacks get deep. She's very good and even in that game 50/hour is hard.
Ask her if she thinks she can do it if there are always 10 tables running in the room.
04-12-2012 , 01:06 AM
Oh and one more thing for PokahBlows, who thinks the toughest games are in the biggest poker rooms in the US, and that pros move out there to play.

Seriously think that through dude. That means that pro poker players, who are nearly all massive bumhunters, are deliberately moving to casinos where it's harder to play.

Come on man.
04-12-2012 , 01:08 AM
I think people need to keep in mind that the "possible" win-rates you get from people posting on the internet always have been and always will be only the top end of the range. People usually post their "win-rates" when they are on a heater and then don't post the overall sample when they regress to the mean.

Do I think its possible to win 10bb/hr in LLSNL, sure. Do I think that many of the people that come on here posting that they are doing it over a short period will do so in the long run? Not a chance.
04-12-2012 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Oh and one more thing for PokahBlows, who thinks the toughest games are in the biggest poker rooms in the US, and that pros move out there to play.

Seriously think that through dude. That means that pro poker players, who are nearly all massive bumhunters, are deliberately moving to casinos where it's harder to play.

Come on man.
The only bad thing about playing in big rooms is that there are way more good players as people have mentioned. So game selection comes into play more because you can end up in a game that is all relatively good players.

Of course you also get the benefit of getting to game select into really great games that are full of way more fish with way more money than the smaller rooms (which usually corresponds to less wealth in the surrounding area) in the larger rooms. Obviously the tradeoff is distinctly in favor of the larger rooms, but there may be something to PB's notion that the smaller rooms are "easier" to beat for a small win-rate. But harder/impossible to beat for the larger rates that major market rooms give you the chance for.
04-12-2012 , 01:13 AM
I am not saying I could do it myself, but I can say with confidence that there are a handful of decent players that are killing the day game with at least 5-7bb/hr in long regularity, and these are done in small rooms with 1-2 tables.

If these same players are playing ONLY on the weekend, it's hard to imagine that they can't hit 10bb+, and in a room with 10 tables, it is like playing on the weekend everyday.
04-12-2012 , 01:15 AM
I see what you're saying, but the simple logic is that any good player actually uses table selection. At commerce, there will be what, 5 games min of 5/10+ NLHE on a Tuesday? That's a minimum of 50 players, and a minimum of 5 of them will be a massive, massive loser.

In my casino, the 5/10 game gets off 3 oclock or later on a Tuesday, and it's lucky if a second game gets off. At most, there's 3-4 massive losers at the table... and that's frankly unrealistic.

It's like the choice between 10 businesses or 1 business as a supplier, you'll make more money when you have more choices.
04-12-2012 , 01:17 AM
Oh trust me, I know the pains of playing in the **** 5/10 games that spring up in smaller casinos where it is always just the regs playing.
04-12-2012 , 01:17 AM
+1

Last summer/fall I watched two guys go on absurd heaters in my underground games. They took few bad beats, it seemed like they would hit 2 or 3 sets a night and get stacks in. Heck, one of them got quads on me two sessions in a row.

Then...they hit down swings. Both guys could be modest winners with some work, but when the variance ride hit, they tilted like crazy. Both players busted their rolls and have quit playing for now.

New players in those games watching both of those guys play were convinced that these games were beatable for crazy win rates and created false expectations for themselves.
04-12-2012 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Oh and one more thing for PokahBlows, who thinks the toughest games are in the biggest poker rooms in the US, and that pros move out there to play.

Seriously think that through dude. That means that pro poker players, who are nearly all massive bumhunters, are deliberately moving to casinos where it's harder to play.

Come on man.
You make a valid point their sir. The biggest casino's attract the biggest fish and pros. So maybe the games are tougher in the midwest.
04-12-2012 , 01:23 AM
Just drove through some insane weather. One of the worst rains I have ever had to face. Generally rain is meh to me, but this one had my attention.
04-12-2012 , 01:24 AM
I'm going to try and stay up for the next 24 hours watching the big game. I wonder if I can do it.

Really a good show to watch if you want to get better.
04-12-2012 , 01:31 AM
NHL playoffs started today, how come its not on tv? Didn't even know they had a hockey team in nashville. Detroit lost ****.
04-12-2012 , 01:31 AM
Staying up 24 hours to watch shows about poker may not coincide with your other goals of finding employment, etc.

But I guess I shouldn't talk since I'm up at 2am watching it
04-12-2012 , 01:32 AM
Kings won, hahahahahahahaha 8the seed over #1. Hahahahahahahah I got my kings hat on right now,lmao.
04-12-2012 , 01:42 AM
I was just in my 4L and saw venice there. I was wondering if he was there to check up on my moderating or for some low-content chatter.

Nope. He's there for our scantily clad asians
04-12-2012 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JMurder3
I was just in my 4L and saw venice there. I was wondering if he was there to check up on my moderating or for some low-content chatter.

Nope. He's there for our scantily clad asians
Lmao,hahahahahahahahhahahahaha
04-12-2012 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jack492505
Staying up 24 hours to watch shows about poker may not coincide with your other goals of finding employment, etc.

But I guess I shouldn't talk since I'm up at 2am watching it
Dude I don't need a job, I'm a poker player. I'm studying as we speak. I want to get a job to move on from my relationship and have check stubs to get an apartment and help prosper my goals of playing 5/10 being well rolled for the game.
04-12-2012 , 01:57 AM
Tony G is the nuts. "Your never going to work here again, where's my manager, what are you laughing at, you laughing at me", hahahahahahahahahaha Tony G is a boss.
04-12-2012 , 02:24 AM
It's just amazing how badly I run right now.

Tonight in 3 hours:
semi-bluffed a 12-outer (fd + overcard vs top pair) and missed
ran AKo into AA 5-handed, vs the only other aggressive player at the table
lost with 66 in a re-raised pot (I opened to $15 and called $25 more) when the board ran out 6-5-2-5-A, and he got there on the river.

I'm down $4550 in my last 7 hours of play, stretching back to Sunday night. It's pretty ****ing hard to lose 9+ buy-ins in like 220 hands.

As I was cashing out (after the 66 hand) I took my fist, aimed it at the wall and gave it my thoughts. It was a cheap drywall and I made a hole, oops. Security detained me and made me pay $300 damage, but didn't charge me any further (standard 24-hour ban). I didn't think that cheap wall costs $300 to fix, so when they had two guys escort me to the parking lot afterwards, I deliberately walked as slowly as possible to protest, and when we got to the elevator, I took the stairs instead and made them climb 3 floors with me.

You could say I'm having a bad week.

      
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