***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***

[DeadMoneyWalking]

Originally Posted by jt0

Uh... why?

Because else you're playing the 2n nuts too weakly.

[jt0]

Nah. He did actually, I must confess. I bet all the way to the river and he min-raised. I asked him if he had it. And I just knew he did by his response.

Good point about the 2n. I just couldn't figure out what you were implying.

[livegamelive1]

just want to remind myself that when somebody limp reraises, no matter what the position, THEY ALWAYS HAVE ACES SO STOP SHOVING THINKING THAT THEY'RE JUST MAKING A PLAY YOU IDIOT!!!

that was cathartic

[jt0]

Originally Posted by livegamelive1

just want to remind myself that when somebody limp reraises, no matter what the position, THEY ALWAYS HAVE ACES SO STOP SHOVING THINKING THAT THEY'RE JUST MAKING A PLAY YOU IDIOT!!!

that was cathartic

Phil Gordon agrees. Beware the min raise.

[venice10]

2nd page bump.

Going to CT this weekend to get some play in.

[mpethybridge]

Just a quick post to point out to those of you who left uFR with the creation of this forum that we have a concept of the week this week from a magician who shows (in a you tube video) how to detect a cheater in a live game. It's great stuff.

[KneedUrDough]

Originally Posted by mpethybridge

Just a quick post to point out to those of you who left uFR with the creation of this forum that we have a concept of the week this week from a magician who shows (in a you tube video) how to detect a cheater in a live game. It's great stuff.

It's ****ing terrifying!

[venice10]

It also shows how sharp guys like Doyle, Bobby Hoff, Amarillo Slim, etc. had to be back when one mostly played self-dealt games.

It also reminded of years ago when Caesars had a dinner magic theater. You'd have someone entertain you with some simple magic during dinner, then break into groups to see some real pros. The card guy was amazing. He tore up a card and put the three pieces back together, leaving the fourth with the innocent bystander. I told my wife, "I can figure out how he could do it(the piece wasn't ripped exactly the same way as the person who did it), but I didn't see him make the switch." High respect for someone with these skills, just don't want to play poker with them.

[flip2win]

I am glad that there is a forum for live poker. I really learn a lot about how live players think at these stakes. Some of the hands are really interesting and there have been some good discussions about them. In general, there are good ideas being circulated around here.

After reading some recent posts, I would like to ask that people refrain from posting hands about coolers and bad beats. There is a Bad Beats, Brag, Variance forum for this. Coolers and bad beats provide little or no strategical or educational value. They are just a part of poker and it happens to everyone. These hands include - "folding top set", "folding the 2nd nuts on the flop", "folding AA with less than 50bb".

Now, there are times when folding a great hand is correct. These usually involve deep stacks and boards that may provide difficulty for someone. But folding 88 on a 864r board for 100bb is just not possible. If villain shows up with 75 and you lose - so be it. Don't be results-oriented. Villain could easily show up with 66 in this spot.

I don't mean to moderate the forum (KurtSF does a good job with it), but I don't want this forum to turn into a beats and brag forum. It is about strategy and learning concepts. There are so many (countless) number of interesting situations that you encounter every session. Post a hand about a bluff you made or a call/c-bet that you were unsure about - even if it was only a 20bb pot. Interesting hands don't have to involve big pots and big hands. TBH, most interesting hands/spots don't involve big hands/big pots. I understand that big pots are psychologically salient, but it is important as developing poker players (which is why I assume you post on 2p2) to think about each aspect of the game.

Anyways, I'm basically tilting because school work is preventing me from grinding. This is first day in 2 months that I haven't played and I'm going through withdrawal. Regardless, I'm really glad as a online and live grinder that I can talk strategy in both arenas on the same site. I hope that we can continue some of the great discussions/threads. Good luck!

[scorcher863]

Anyone play at Hardrock tampa here?

[KurtSF]

1. Any bad beat or big brag I will be happy to merge into the official BBV thread. I can't be online all the time though. If something is really egregious and doesn't seem to be getting my attention, either PM me or report the post, and I'll take care of it when I get the chance.

2. Please keep in mind that this forum represents the smallest games in the room, and as such attracts all the new and inexperienced players. You've played every day for 2 months and realize that folding AA 50bb deep is pretty loltastic. But for someone just making one of their first trips to the cardroom who's AA got cracked, they may legitimately be wondering how they screwed it up and not realize how detrimental such results oriented thinking is to improving as a poker player.

I guess I'm just asking folks to be patient with all posters, and to assume the best of intentions from people posting hands you don't find interesting.

Tangent:

Spoiler:

I often say that poker seems uniquely designed to foils typical human learning methods. If you just start playing and repeat the things you did when you won a pot and cease doing the things you did when you lost a pot, you will end up a terrible poker player. There is simply too much noise in the system for typical feedback alone to guide the learning process.

Which is why I like the term "thinking player" so much. There are certainly many ways to think about poker, and just as certainly many "correct" ways to play. But in order to be good, you do have to think.

3. There's no strat content in this thread. Would you rather it go in the suggestion box or in the chat thread?

[FallsviewPokerPro]

One of the problems with posting and analysing hands is selection bias. The hand was chosen to be posted, often because hero lost and wants to understand why.

[flip2win]

Originally Posted by KurtSF

1. Any bad beat or big brag I will be happy to merge into the official BBV thread. I can't be online all the time though. If something is really egregious and doesn't seem to be getting my attention, either PM me or report the post, and I'll take care of it when I get the chance.

2. Please keep in mind that this forum represents the smallest games in the room, and as such attracts all the new and inexperienced players. You've played every day for 2 months and realize that folding AA 50bb deep is pretty loltastic. But for someone just making one of their first trips to the cardroom who's AA got cracked, they may legitimately be wondering how they screwed it up and not realize how detrimental such results oriented thinking is to improving as a poker player.

I guess I'm just asking folks to be patient with all posters, and to assume the best of intentions from people posting hands you don't find interesting.

Tangent:

Spoiler:

I often say that poker seems uniquely designed to foils typical human learning methods. If you just start playing and repeat the things you did when you won a pot and cease doing the things you did when you lost a pot, you will end up a terrible poker player. There is simply too much noise in the system for typical feedback alone to guide the learning process.

Which is why I like the term "thinking player" so much. There are certainly many ways to think about poker, and just as certainly many "correct" ways to play. But in order to be good, you do have to think.

3. There's no strat content in this thread. Would you rather it go in the suggestion box or in the chat thread?

Good points. Just suggesting to new players that they should try to think about some other hands (rather than coolers, beats). I guess it's been a long time since I thought about poker in that way. I think the great majority of posts have tough spots.

lol...maybe this should go in the suggestion box lol. Should've thought of that.


Fallsview - I agree and I guess I should really put myself in some people's shoe more often.


Basically - Finals sucks and it's making me tilt in my posts possibly.


Good forum so far and some really good reg posters imo.

[grungedave]

I know I just posted a thread about a cooler hand... but it wasn't so much about the cooler as much as it was trying to see if I could have reasonably avoided the aforementioned cooler. Not to split hairs, but wouldn't this be the proper forum for that?

[gobbledygeek]

And yet, I somehow win $72 for the session.

Shortstacked 44 goes all-in preflop, I call with KK. There's a 4 in the window on the flop. Nice hand.

Loose aggressive button open-raises. Shortstacked BB goes all-in. I come over the top with AKs. Button open folds TT face up (hmmm, he had a hand after all). I lose coin flip.

Short stack goes all-in. I call with KK. For the second time in two straight sessions I find myself up against AA; whew, thank god for shortstacks! I flop a K. Turn brings him a flush draw but he doesn't need that as he hits the A on the river. Funny, if turn is a K instead of J I win 12.5K.

My pocket 99 flops KQ9, I get it all-in vs a shortstack + some other dead flop money. I'm behind and don't boat up.

My KK, ahead the whole way, "improves" by backing into the 2nd nut flush. No good.

And my favourite hand, in the last orbit. I get KJs (clubs, this hand is absolutely killing me in my last orbit), raise a straddler, 3 of us see a K high flop. The bluffy aggressive straddler takes the lead and I decide I'm simply going to let him donk off all his chips to me and start passively calling down. Turn bet/call. River bet/call. You're rivered set of eights is good sir, nice hand. Sure, I coulda raised somewhere along the way, I guess; then again, I did get him to put $90 into the pot when drawing to a 2 outer so I'm not too upset with the play.

And yet, after all that, I still win $72 for the session? How is that even possible? This NL game is going to be a wild ride.

Gthisisthelowcontentthread,right?G