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[fold4once]

Here's why I rarely find spots to 3bet a less-than-premium range at live 1/2:

Not enough villains are raising light. This is THE reason to 3bet light, right? Hell, not enough villains are raising at all in most of my games. It's limp city all day long.

[11t]

If it was possible I'd be up for it but alas, maybe we will bink the 2nd term of the Obama administration.

[fold4once]

Pokah how good are you with a bow and arrow?

[fold4once]

Originally Posted by 11t

If it was possible I'd be up for it but alas, maybe we will bink the 2nd term of the Obama administration.

11t are you in a red state or blue state?

[PokahBlows]

Originally Posted by fold4once

Pokah how good are you with a bow and arrow?

When I was 9 I was pretty horrible with the bow and arrow.

I was pretty good with the 9mm though.

[gobbledygeek]

Originally Posted by fold4once

Here's why I rarely find spots to 3bet a less-than-premium range at live 1/2:

Not enough villains are raising light. This is THE reason to 3bet light, right? Hell, not enough villains are raising at all in most of my games. It's limp city all day long.

Funny game last night. My neighbour to my right is a decent player and fairly aggressive. He'll raise light and also 3bet light against the right opponent. Anyhoo, we've been quietly talking poker (I know, I know, MUM, s.t.f.u.) and he mentions to me how he's noticed so many huge hands are being limped at this table (AK, QQ, etc.). I say I noticed a trend lately where huge hands such as AA/KK aren't even being 3bet preflop by the regs. In the next few hands, this happens. One, my limp/reraise attempt with AA UTG fails miserably and I see a flop 6 ways; I manage to get to showdown (overcalling a bet on the river, lol) and table the winning hand. My neighbour's head half asplodes. A couple of hands later, the worst player at the table who is truly clueless but has run his stack up quite a bit limp/calls in a multiway pot preflop with AA and eventually tables the winning hand. My neighbour's head fully asplodes and I still have bits of his brain on my shirt.

[11t]

Originally Posted by fold4once

11t are you in a red state or blue state?

nebraska is definitely a red meat state

[SeaUlater]

goooooo big red!

[PokahBlows]

Last night I learned so much from the 3hours of live broadcast of PLO. Found out about top gapper and bottom gapper hands. Different odds and analogy's. The announcer was such a dork. Cool guy though. He is super smart used to play 25/50 on stars.

It was two guys on their who are the PLO grinders of LA. One guy who was the host who was supposed to be good. Lost 1500 in the first two hands so he didn't play his best. The other guy didn't see too much play from him either, the game was sitting to deep to play aggressive.

That game is the wave of the future. If casino's ever get like 3or4 1/2 or 1/3 PLO games going on a consistent basis. I can see live PLO being a real money maker. Even the so called "good" players are not very good. Still looked like they play their hand and didn't push nut flushes hard enough. I seen one big bluff with dry kings but the guy river'ed a fullhouse so it was bad timing. People are just so bad 9handed PLO.

[11t]

PLO was actually the only big bet game that was spread regularly before NLHE became so popular

[fold4once]

Originally Posted by 11t

nebraska is definitely a red meat state

Wow, they have casinos in Nebraska?

[SeaUlater]

PLO will never be the game of the future, and people have said it many times in the past several years. All I see is fewer and fewer people play PLO, never more.

Players that are beating the game don't put the money back in, and bad players that are spewing will eventually run out of money or interest in losing money constantly.

As for rest of the world? Everyone's scared because of how big the game is, and not too many fish like a game where the whole concept revolves around sucking out (yes, it's more complicated than that, but if you're an outsider looking in, the game can be deduced down to just "sucking out").

[11t]

Originally Posted by fold4once

Wow, they have casinos in Nebraska?

No they have casino's in Iowa

[SeaUlater]

Originally Posted by PokahBlows

That game is the wave of the future. If casino's ever get like 3or4 1/2 or 1/3 PLO games going on a consistent basis. I can see live PLO being a real money maker. Even the so called "good" players are not very good. Still looked like they play their hand and didn't push nut flushes hard enough. I seen one big bluff with dry kings but the guy river'ed a fullhouse so it was bad timing. People are just so bad 9handed PLO.

LOL, hold'em player thinks he can hang in PLO live.

[ashley12]

Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

The following three flopped sets summarize my night last night:

1) 100 BBs effective. He raises with QQ. I call in position with 99. Flop Q96 with two suits. We both fastplay the flop. Brag: I believe this is the first time in ~600 hrs @ 1/3 NL that I've actually been stacked on the flop in a set over set situation (i.e. I run good).

2) 5 of us limp in, me with 22. KQ2 with two suits. I try to hide my erection (that's one of those fancy "tells" you guys are always goin on about, right?) and lead. Everyone folds. W. T. F.

3) Shorty moran raises. Medium stack moran calls. I make a loose call outta the blinds with 33 (stacks really ain't big enough, but I figure 2 * moran = call). Flop K73. I make $0 postflop against 2 morans.

That and bad play ended my 6 session win streak. On top of all that, I failed miserably again at my MUM attempt, and in fact it was probably my worst ever night for quietly talking genuine strategy at the table with decent neighbours. Sigh.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Could be worse, I had a limit holdEm ORBIT where I went 1/5 with sets, and the one I won was a blind defence who c/f the flop on a K94 board (I had middle set)

Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Last week David tuchman played on LATB. He 3betted. AKo when a tournament player opened A6s. He got cold called by 4 players one of those players had J9o the rest hand unplayable hands.

Flop comes J high, guy with J9o shoves from the blinds. Its like 800 more to call for David, he calls. Guy wins a big pot with J9o.

I said that is why you don't 3bet live. People l/c 3bets and cold calling 3bets with trash.

Thats like saying dont play aces, because sometimes they lose.

Originally Posted by jack492505

depends on what you mean by wide. The strong pair hands TT+ are far enough ahead of ranges to often 3bet. And being shorter is good for these hands because people are going to put stacks in lighter. I think TT+/AK is a good range against people that won't fold to 3bets much.

When they don't fold PF we should be doing what we would do postflop- valuebetting lighter.

Yup, and that range sounds about right for someone just beginning to become aware of other peoples ranges.

Originally Posted by fold4once

Here's why I rarely find spots to 3bet a less-than-premium range at live 1/2:

Not enough villains are raising light. This is THE reason to 3bet light, right? Hell, not enough villains are raising at all in most of my games. It's limp city all day long.

Light is a relative term.

Im not raising light in that I want to see immediate folds. Im just widening my value range because I am getting called by worse.

Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Last night I learned so much from the 3hours of live broadcast of PLO. Found out about top gapper and bottom gapper hands. Different odds and analogy's. The announcer was such a dork. Cool guy though. He is super smart used to play 25/50 on stars.

It was two guys on their who are the PLO grinders of LA. One guy who was the host who was supposed to be good. Lost 1500 in the first two hands so he didn't play his best. The other guy didn't see too much play from him either, the game was sitting to deep to play aggressive.

That game is the wave of the future. If casino's ever get like 3or4 1/2 or 1/3 PLO games going on a consistent basis. I can see live PLO being a real money maker. Even the so called "good" players are not very good. Still looked like they play their hand and didn't push nut flushes hard enough. I seen one big bluff with dry kings but the guy river'ed a fullhouse so it was bad timing. People are just so bad 9handed PLO.

PLO is the game of the future and it always will be.

Why?

Because as said by the LLSNL hero Limon, and probably the best thing he has ever said IMO, is that PLO combines bad beats and difficult decisions, two things amateur players dislike the most.

Its the same reason people never want to play very low stakes mixgames because they dont want to have to "think" about another game, even if they cant play NLHE for ****, they think they can.