***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***

[jack492505]

Originally Posted by ikestoys

#1 duh

Why not let the market decide on 2 and 3? There's no reason to have the government come in and micromanage exactly how the sites work.

Prisoner's dilemma. If the market is left to determine 2 and 3 regular players are going to act in their best short-term interests and play at the sites that allow them to do those things. These sites will get more players (and have more games running from people mass multitabling). The increased traffic makes them more likely to win out.

So if the market is left to determine the outcome these sites are quite likely to be the ones that win out because everyone (including fish) wants to play at the biggest sites.

But the rate the fish will lose at is going to discourage them from continuing to play. Which isn't in our best long-term interests.

An artificial limitation on those two factors may force us to behave in a way that is a better long-run outcome than an unregulated environment.

[ikestoys]

Originally Posted by jack492505

Prisoner's dilemma. If the market is left to determine 2 and 3 regular players are going to act in their best short-term interests and play at the sites that allow them to do those things. These sites will get more players (and have more games running from people mass multitabling). The increased traffic makes them more likely to win out.

So if the market is left to determine the outcome these sites are quite likely to be the ones that win out because everyone (including fish) wants to play at the biggest sites.

But the rate the fish will lose at is going to discourage them from continuing to play. Which isn't in our best long-term interests.

An artificial limitation on those two factors may force us to behave in a way that is a better long-run outcome than an unregulated environment.

Your argument is based on a false assumption (that sharks are a dominant force in the poker economy when they're actually <5%) and self-contradictory (that fish will choose sites they will lose faster at).

Fish aren't going to stop gambling because they got discouraged at Site X. They want to gamble. Instead, they'll go to Site Y that friend A told them about. They'll stay at the place they're most happy at, and the sharks will follow.

[PokahBlows]

I just love how nascar everything is running smooth pack of 30 cars running at 190mph. The boom 8 car crash and its all over. Kinda like a mistake in nl holdem.

[jack492505]

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Your argument is based on a false assumption (that sharks are a dominant force in the poker economy when they're actually <5%) and self-contradictory (that fish will choose sites they will lose faster at).

Fish aren't going to stop gambling because they got discouraged at Site X. They want to gamble. Instead, they'll go to Site Y that friend A told them about. They'll stay at the place they're most happy at, and the sharks will follow.

The fish have no idea which site they will lose faster at. They are fish. They are going to pick sites with the most traffic.

I agree the argument is a little contrived and I'm not entirely sure I believe it. But I think there may be something to having limitations on how quickly fish can lose and improving the long-run health of the poker economy.

I think I would probably prefer the sites allowing HUDs. I just can't imagine playing online again without one. But the idea that they should be banned isn't entirely without merit IMO.

[ikestoys]

Originally Posted by jack492505

The fish have no idea which site they will lose faster at. They are fish.

Fish can tell time.

They are going to pick sites with the most traffic.

I agree the argument is a little contrived and I'm not entirely sure I believe it. But I think there may be something to having limitations on how quickly fish can lose and improving the long-run health of the poker economy.

I think I would probably prefer the sites allowing HUDs. I just can't imagine playing online again without one. But the idea that they should be banned isn't entirely without merit IMO.

The idea that they should be banned by the government is completely without merit. The idea that sites should ban them is not. That is a huge distinction.

[mpethybridge]

I have to day that I am so disgusted with this forum right now I am ready to give up on it. I have been personally attacked mote times in the past two days than in the five years I have been a regular poster in micro full ring.

[mpethybridge]

I have to say that I am equally disgusted with the MGM. Like 6 sessions in a row I can't get anything started at all. Grr.

[PokahBlows]

I agree some people want to argue about stuff that really doesn't matter. This is not 2005 the game has evolved most people can't see it though.

[ikestoys]

Originally Posted by mpethybridge

I have to say that I am equally disgusted with the MGM. Like 6 sessions in a row I can't get anything started at all. Grr.

I don't know how you can stand that music every half hour.

I'm also disappointed that I didnt meet up with you when I played 4 sessions there.

[mpethybridge]

I'm fine with people disagreeing with me; god knows I don't have all the answers. I'm just pissed at the hostile tone.

[PokahBlows]

Looks like its going to be a long year for chevy. Fords look to fast and I don't like how the cars are running.

[mpethybridge]

Originally Posted by ikestoys

I don't know how you can stand that music every half hour.

I'm also disappointed that I did meet up with you when I played 4 sessions there.

Lol epic Freudian typo

[mpethybridge]

My dad roots for Jimmy Johnson, how'd he do?

[ikestoys]

Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Looks like its going to be a long year for chevy. Fords look to fast and I don't like how the cars are running.

w00t go ford

dad is a ford engineer, father in law is a ford engineer (again, he took a package and retired, now working for a consultant for ford), grandfather was a ford engineer, and mother works for auto union.

[PokahBlows]

@mpethy why would you play at mgm? Does it get the most traffic and tourist?

I always thought the v was the best poker room on the strip. But I have not been to vegas in a couple of years.