***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***

[YouCheckRaise]

Glad this forum has started. Will basically be my homepage for 2p2. I think strategy discussions are goign to be way more interesting than other online threads because of all the added info we can include all the different live reads that you dont get online which helps break down a hand further than stats.

[KneedUrDough]

there should be a sticky on how to write out hand histories...

...congrats to whomever lobbied for this (hope it's not a 'be careful what u wish for situation.')

[Lovesantiques]

Originally Posted by KurtSF

I don't understand... can you explain?

I specifically picked "low" as "micro", "small", "medium" have such technical and specific definitions (2nl-50nl, 100-200nl, etc.). These are the small games in the pokerroom after all, so I though low-stakes was appropriate.

I don't understand either. I think that "low" is a perfect description. My only quibble (and it's a minor one) is that this would also be the place to put 5/5 hands.

I applaud you KurtSF! And whoever else at 2+2 finally started this forum.

Thank you!!

Lee

[jlocdog]

Hey guys,

I see many of you want to post 5/5 and 5/10 hands here as well. Could you all please tell me why the MHFR forum is not suitable for those posts?

I have been (am still am) working hard to rebuild the MHFR community. It was a disaster area a couple of months ago with minimal contribution and close to zero strategy. My goal is to make it the place to go for mid-high stakes strategy on 2+2. The HSNL forum is turning into a glorified NVG place (with a few exceptions) and MSNL has been overrun by official and OT threads.

Slowly but surely that forum is starting to produce some quality threads. No more levels or trolls within the strategy threads, respect being shown throughout, and thoughtful replies being offered. Please keep in mind that forum is fairly new under its new structure (namely me modding it and encouraging quality discussion) and I am working hard to continue its strides to improve.

I would be much appreciated if many of you posted your 5/5+ hands there to add to the quantity as well as quality over there. We could sure use the boost and are always looking to widen our communities base. The natives are much friendlier over there now and they can offer some excellent advice as well.

I hope it comes to a point where both this forum and the MHFR forum become your go to places to seek strategy and bond with the communities formed.

[KneedUrDough]

jloc

I'm playing right now so I'll be brief...

...It's greed! We want more decent 'live' players here.

BTW: I appreciate the work u've done at MHFR (we all do!)

[brocksavage1]

@ jloc: I like your thinking. I've noticed MHFR forum is getting better threads. I read the forum quite a bit, and I think it's on the right track. I have no problem with posting any 5/10 live hands that I have questions on up there.

[steamypile]

Jloc - I agree. I would tend to put lower stakes live games here as they don't quite correlate with micro/small stakes FR styles. 5/5 and 5/10 and higher should still go in MHFR and similar forums as that's when the dynamics start toughening up a bit.

[jjshabado]

jlocdog - I realize that you're trying to build a MHFR community, but I think 5/10 should be here because we're trying to build a live community too.

I've only made a few forays into 5/10 but it played very similar to 2/5. A lot of the tricky spots are caused by super deep stacks - something I assume you see more often in 2/5 live than online stakes.

Anyway, just my $0.02.

[jlocdog]

Kneed/Brock- I'm glad you guys notice a difference in temperament and quality and hope that level of discussion carries over into this forum as well. Please feel free to contribute more.

Steamy- I agree and there are many reasons for this (I won't delve here) but that is why the line was drawn here.

jjshabado- I don't think you will have nearly as difficult a time building this community as I will/am having in MHFR. There are dozens of 1/2 - 3/5 hands created every day scattered across the forum. Once they all funnel into this one forum you will see you have plenty of discussion to hold without taking the 5/5+ threads as well.

As well, keep in mind it can be quite beneficial to have more than 1 "go to" strategy forum. Interacting with other communities and reading posts from those you otherwise would never have thought to open can do wonders to your experience on 2+2. There are a lot of really smart people on these boards and it would be a shame to miss out on their contributions.

Lastly, don't underestimate the subtle differences that take place at 5/10 compared to 2/5. Poker can often be misconstrued when the level of competition isn't recognized to have crossed a given threshold both in talent and bankroll.

[jjshabado]

jloc, can I turn this around a bit and ask why you think 5/10 live should be in MHFR? Is the answer just because you need posts?

Anyway, I don't think its a big deal so I won't keep pushing on it.

[FoldnDark]

Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

there should be a sticky on how to write out hand histories...

...congrats to whomever lobbied for this (hope it's not a 'be careful what u wish for situation.')

I hope so too... as long as good posters like yourself comment, I think we'll be alright here.

Kurt, let's get that sticky up soon and include a template people can copy into their thread. Suggestions welcome.

Here's my live hand template:

Prehand Descriptions
Villain 1: include relevant villain reads/image - loose/tight/passive/aggro, old, weak, nit, yellow hat, Steve Martin, etc.
Villain 2: include relevant villain reads/image
Villain 3: remember only relevant villains needed
Hero: hero's image

Also include any relevant info from previous hands that could have influence the mood/metagame, etc.


$1/3 NL (10 handed)
UTG ($300)
EP ($130)
EP+1($250)
V1 MP ($750)
MP+1 ($800)
V2 MP+2 ($400)
Hero CO ($550)
Button ($300)
SB ($200)
BB ($200)

Hero is dealt KQ

3 folds, V1 limps, MP+1 limps, V2 raises to $14, Hero raises to $40, 3 folds, V1 calls $40, fold, V2 calls $40

(include comments on Hero's reasoning, interpretations of villain's action, tells, etc. Questions welcome)

Flop ($122) A,8,2
V1 checks, V2 checks, Hero bets $80, V1 raises to $180, V2 folds, Hero calls $180

(comments/questions)

Turn ($482) J

V1 checks, Hero checks

comments/questions

River: K

V1 bets $200, Hero?

[Angrydave23]

Originally Posted by jlocdog

Hey guys,

I see many of you want to post 5/5 and 5/10 hands here as well. Could you all please tell me why the MHFR forum is not suitable for those posts?

I have been (am still am) working hard to rebuild the MHFR community. It was a disaster area a couple of months ago with minimal contribution and close to zero strategy. My goal is to make it the place to go for mid-high stakes strategy on 2+2. The HSNL forum is turning into a glorified NVG place (with a few exceptions) and MSNL has been overrun by official and OT threads.

Slowly but surely that forum is starting to produce some quality threads. No more levels or trolls within the strategy threads, respect being shown throughout, and thoughtful replies being offered. Please keep in mind that forum is fairly new under its new structure (namely me modding it and encouraging quality discussion) and I am working hard to continue its strides to improve.

I would be much appreciated if many of you posted your 5/5+ hands there to add to the quantity as well as quality over there. We could sure use the boost and are always looking to widen our communities base. The natives are much friendlier over there now and they can offer some excellent advice as well.

I hope it comes to a point where both this forum and the MHFR forum become your go to places to seek strategy and bond with the communities formed.

You guys have done such a good job a separating all the stakes and topics so that like minded people could get info from other like minded people. I don't see the reason to stop at where you have. Why not make a whole other "tab" (not sure what to call it) for live poker and separate the limits there like you have for the online poker "tab"?

[Arthritis]

Thanks for this guys. I'm pretty new to 2p2, and I'm also just now switching to live poker so I hope this forum becomes an excellent resource for myself and others! (I also recognize that contribution, even making the live noob I am obvious, is important)

[steamypile]

Originally Posted by jjshabado

jlocdog - I realize that you're trying to build a MHFR community, but I think 5/10 should be here because we're trying to build a live community too.

I've only made a few forays into 5/10 but it played very similar to 2/5. A lot of the tricky spots are caused by super deep stacks - something I assume you see more often in 2/5 live than online stakes.

Anyway, just my $0.02.

Perhaps again it's a difference b/w east and west coast, but I have found that 2/5 plays like a less fishy version of 1/2 generally, but 5/10 has consistently tested me to a much greater degree; opponents generally have a lot more tools in their toolbox, and are much more fearless in risking their stacks or punishing people IP.

[FoldnDark]

Originally Posted by steamypile

Perhaps again it's a difference b/w east and west coast, but I have found that 2/5 plays like a less fishy version of 1/2 generally, but 5/10 has consistently tested me to a much greater degree; opponents generally have a lot more tools in their toolbox, and are much more fearless in risking their stacks or punishing people IP.

The 2/5 in St. Louis is generally less fishy too, maybe only 2-3 really bad players instead of 6-7.