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[SABR42]

Anyway. I call.

Turn 6

PFR bombs for $185. Fish behind snap-calls. Gets to me and I sigh-fold, because I can't be sure if my flush will be food.

River 5

PFR shoves his remaining $300 with AQo and gets called by AJo.

If I had raised the flop it probably would have been a 3-way all-in with me having 40% and I would have binked. Maybe just being results oriented though.

[11t]

Nah it isn't too bad, to be honest I doubt there is much EV difference between calling/chr calling the flop. For some reason I'd be much more willing to stack off with the Kxdd on that flop but that might be a leak of mine.

[11t]

FWIW you probably have to ship or call the bet on the flop and a ship is just an overbet so I'd probably call here more often than I ship.

[mpethybridge]

Originally Posted by SABR42

Think I misplayed this one.

Limp, $20, call, call, I call $15 more with T7 from the BB. Call.

Slightly loose call OOP but there's like two major calling stations in the hand.

Flop AQJ (pot $102).

PFR bets $45, call, call, to me?

Raise or call? Everyone has roughly a $500 stack and I cover. Calling on direct odds can never be wrong here, but does anyone raise? Both callers on the flop are calling stations so I probably have very little FE. However with a fd + gutter my equity is going to be decent unless they have Kx or Jx.

I worked on this for about an hour. I won't show my math, but it looks like the EV of a call and the EV of $240/call (call a HU shove by a 2 pair+ range) are almost exactly the same.

Readless, so I can't really evaluate your FE/RIO/IO. The PFR's bet looks weak, though, so I'm thinking you have decent FE.

In general, you have two low IO draws, but if you have low IO, and you said you have low FE, then your FE and IO are not going to be very different in terms of profitability. If they fold, just picking a number, 33% of the time, then you realize about $80 in FE. If you call, the pot will be about $270, and when you bink, you'd have to accomplish the equivalent of betting $160 and getting called 50% of the time by a hand with 0% equity to show an equivalent profit to raising. That seems possible, even net of flush over flush situations, though it doesn't look like there'd be a lot more profit than that in the post flop play.

All in all, it looks very close, and I can't see that there's a big difference between the two. That being the case, I'd prefer that we play the hand in a way that forces the villains to make as many decisions as possible, because they (especially the stations who are likely to fold to a raise) are going to make more mistakes than you are.

[SABR42]

Yeah it's probably really close.

I went with the lower-variance option and got blown off my hand on the turn which sucked. Had to call $185 into a pot of $652 on the turn, but I wasn't sure if all my outs were clean because fish snap-called a $185 bet which could easily have been a better flush draw.

[fold4once]

Originally Posted by SABR42

Yeah it's probably really close.

I went with the lower-variance option and got blown off my hand on the turn which sucked. Had to call $185 into a pot of $652 on the turn, but I wasn't sure if all my outs were clean because fish snap-called a $185 bet which could easily have been a better flush draw.

No reason not to 3 ball pre IMO after all you're SABR. That pretty much solves the whole hand. /knowledgebomb

[SABR42]

I had been 3-betting a decent amount so I didn't feel like 3-betting two stations OOP with T-high.

[AmazonPrime]

Anybody else feel that 3-betting light is getting more common in LLSNL?

I find myself 3-betting light at least 3-4x a session.

[masaraksh]

Originally Posted by AmazonPrime

Anybody else feel that 3-betting light is getting more common in LLSNL?

I find myself 3-betting light at least 3-4x a session.

So?

Cbetting was rare at some point.... now almost every moron knows about cbetting.

[AmazonPrime]

Dude, I was just asking...chill, kid.

[RobFarha]

From people who aren't 2p2ers/decent players? no

[Garick]

Vegas trip off to good start. First sesh at Aria was only an hour long and booked $96 win. Mpethy not seen. Seems not check his PMs often, either. <hint>

Only hands of interest are this one http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...check-1226363/ and one hand where I squeezed a bunch of straddle-limpers.

V1 is reg, seems solid. V2 is known to be a pro/semi-pro. V1 straddles fo $6. V2 has a missed blind button and says "if he's straddling, I'll post." Dealer starts dealing when V1 says "if he's posting, I don't want to straddle, I just straddled because he's out." Dealer asks if they want a mis-deal, and they decide it's not worth the trouble. Three limpers to me in SB, and I pop JQo to $21. In hindsight, I think this is too small, but I had a nut-peddler image to V2, and V1 had recently lost a big pot too me, so I thought I could get away with a small squeeze and likely pick it up on the flop if called. All fold.

Then off to dinner with wive at Lotus of Siam. Very yummy, though I don't know about "best Thai food in North America." Followed up with a stroll around the Fremont Street Experience. Very loud. 3 competing cover bands playing 80s hair-metal very loudly. Binions= 2 tables of 3/6 limit going and otherwise empty. Wrapped up the evening with a couple hour $1/2 session at Gold Nugget, where I booked the princely sum of $68. Streak stays alive...

[PuraVida96]

Originally Posted by SABR42

Think I misplayed this one.

Limp, $20, call, call, I call $15 more with T7 from the BB. Call.

Slightly loose call OOP but there's like two major calling stations in the hand.

Flop AQJ (pot $102).

PFR bets $45, call, call, to me?

Raise or call? Everyone has roughly a $500 stack and I cover. Calling on direct odds can never be wrong here, but does anyone raise? Both callers on the flop are calling stations so I probably have very little FE. However with a fd + gutter my equity is going to be decent unless they have Kx or Jx.

I take the lesser variance line post-flop and play it the same. mpethy did the math that said this is close between calling flop and raise/calling. I'd need a lot of FE to raise this flop since I don't like pushing small edges for stacks in a live game.

Originally Posted by dhcg86

Id like to do a thorough TR of the aria 1/3 game

where should it go and is anyone interested

do it! i don't know, yes.

[masaraksh]

Taking a small 2 day vacation in Interlaken.

- Going Hang Gliding for the first time in my life today
- Gonna go see the mountains, late, city this afternoon/evening
- 50/50 on whether to try skydiving tomorrow (never done it & it looks sick... but slightly scared), anyone ever been?
- Will probably end up taking a boat tour with all the old people.
- Should be back tomorrow evening & plan to play a Thursday session.


SABR, T7dd hand:
- hand is pretty, but is really hard to play profitably. A friend of mine who plays 5/10+ online and is a winning reg live went on a rant once about how much worse gap SCs are than SCs.
- pre-flop isn't really THAT big a deal, obv post flop is much more interesting:
- I would also just call (and probably c/f the turn).
- Your draw isn't to the nuts, your gutter is pretty much worthless, and that board may hit PFR very hard (low FE)

[endodocdc]

@Mas
Why don't you be a good samaritan, and instead go to Geneva and find me this watch:

http://blog.perpetuelle.com/watches/...-oo-a002ca-01/

WRT Sabr's hand, what concerns me is the two overcalls after the flop bet. Of course, we can discount it's significance here since Sabr's read is that they are both c-stations..but these are spots I'd rather not peel against alot of players...is this weak/too nitty??