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Old 06-01-2012, 01:58 PM   #16876
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Go play at an MGM property then and call it good.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:01 PM   #16877
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Another thing I will add. Pot control lines are not the only way to control the pot. We can control the size of the pot with our bet sizing as well.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:03 PM   #16878
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Another thing I will add. Pot control lines are not the only way to control the pot. We can control the size of the pot with our bet sizing as well.
Massaging the pot eh
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:05 PM   #16879
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He is just a fishy splashy player. I really can't categorize him other than he spazzes out a lot. He doesn't like the fact that people think I'm a "good player" and nobody thinks he is very good and he is a business owner so he has $$ to spend so he is always trying to put moves on me etc...

For instance he ch/called a Kxx flop then bombed a turn A, I called and we ch/ch river and I take it down with KQ vs his KJ

He showed up with KJ here as well.

I am worried that I'm going for two streets too often and not value betting thin enough on the river but in spots like these I think its so marginal that I've just been giving up.
methinks its one of those classic spots where the EV of betting, and checking are nearly the same. oddly, its these type of hands that tend to bother you, and make you wnat to analyze it to no end.

If i bet, i wouldnt bet big, and wouldnt mind not showing my hand when he missed a draw, and folds. another plus for betting.
he's not folding AX to a smallish bet, and if he has exactly A9, so be it.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:07 PM   #16880
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limon: "pot control sucks"
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:10 PM   #16881
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limon: "pot control lines sucks"
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:12 PM   #16882
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Yeah there have also been several instances where I've checked TP on like an AK225 board because I can't imagine people calling with worse but maybe I'm being a donkey. Like I've been trying to hammer in my "make sure I have >50% equity vs his ch/calling range when I bet" so I keep feeling like I know I'm checking the winner but I can't imagine I'm getting called by worse.
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I'm like 90% sure ilikecalidonks = pokah
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:14 PM   #16884
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I'm like 90% sure ilikecalidonks = pokah
You're right
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No one can convince me otherwise.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:18 PM   #16886
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No one can convince me otherwise.
What's your point?
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:21 PM   #16888
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What do you guys think about pot control?
I think 95% of the time I read "I checked for pot control" , or "you should check for pot control", the person is not actually advising you should check for pot control but for another reason, that they can't articulate.

This is exactly what I would say about pot control (especially the first paragraph):

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Pot control is basically used versus difficult opponents to make the hand easier to play on the river. Basically your hand can't stand a chr so you check behind ready to call a river bet.

In live poker it is better to bet the flop/turn and to check behind on the river and try to value town people as opposed to checking behind the turn and playing a river.
This is what I meant above when people call it pot control, when it's not pot control:

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Only time I pot control is vs nitty opponents who only call with 2pair+.
This is checking the turn because you think they will call wider on the river. Therefore, it's a EV maximization line, not pot control.

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I feel like, and I should start testing this....but if you check TP o the flop, or even check at all, you're getting paid on turn and river by most pairs. (in position ofc) they call you so much lighter its ridic

that being said you have to increase sizing in order to make up for the missed bet
Once you check the flop they put you on AK and never readjust that range. Of course, they put you on AK when you bet the flop to though, but will adjust that range when you bet turn.

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@11t just stop! Just stop posting any strat. I can't believe you don't count your call as part of what you win. I told you, you are too smart for poker. Idk who taught you how to play, but I hope it was you. Tear your game apart and rebuild from scratch.
Your call does not count. That's ridiculous.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:28 PM   #16890
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I'm like 90% sure ilikecalidonks = pokah
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