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Old 04-20-2012, 01:56 PM   #526
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

When you decide to c/c it should not be for a 100$. That's a big bet in a 5/5 game. Guy means business when he does that.

Your plan should be check to reevaluate the action.
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Old 04-20-2012, 05:42 PM   #527
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

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Preflop: If u decide to 3bet which is not a bad idea, you have to 3bet bigger. You are deep stacked and OOP vs an agro player. I like 4x it to $80/
Flop: I prefer to just bet/evaluate
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Old 04-20-2012, 06:02 PM   #528
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When you decide to c/c it should not be for a 100$. That's a big bet in a 5/5 game. Guy means business when he does that.

Your plan should be check to reevaluate the action.
Lately 100 isn't a very big bet at 5/5. I've either had some really juicy games, or 5/5 is playing a little bigger. He and I had both been cbetting ~pot, so it's what I expected from him.

Actually, I expected him to barrel flop and turn, and probably check river if he was semi-bluffing a flush draw. When the J hit I could beat everything but the flopped flush (although there's almost no chance he has an overpair here).

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Preflop: If u decide to 3bet which is not a bad idea, you have to 3bet bigger. You are deep stacked and OOP vs an agro player. I like 4x it to $80/
Flop: I prefer to just bet/evaluate
Yeah, I would normally make it 80 OOP. He had been opening often enough that I thought a smaller 3x raise would do the trick.

When I called the river he said, "you got it." then mumbled that he was ahead PF, so I guess he figured his PP was enough to call 40 more with.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:02 PM   #529
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Just because he didn't have a hand that beats yours doesn't mean he didn't mean business. He had a good starting hand. Something like AK/AQ with a heart. His range AA/KK/QQ/AK and AQ with a heart. A jack doesn't beat much in his range. I wouldn't make a habit out of calling down players in a 3bet pot.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:17 PM   #530
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I just used poker stove and weighted the ranges. You was 35% vs a weighted range with over pairs and AK/AQ with a heart in them. So you did have the odds to call. Otf you're getting 2:1 you only need 30% to call you had 35%.

Good hh man.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:23 PM   #531
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Yeah, I agree that generally it's not a good idea. But I know he doesn't have QQ+ because he 4bets those pre. That leaves AK, AQ with a heart, or a med PP, probably with a heart. Calling down allows him to check back the turn and draw for free.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:35 PM   #532
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Vs that range you are 54%(AK,AQ,1010/99 weighted), so you made the right play.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:44 PM   #533
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-heat-1195757/

Would like a little more feedback if anyone is interested... thought this spot with stack sizes being avg/semi deep that its really tough to gauge the best play.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:04 AM   #534
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Up against a total lag. Loved to straddlle and raise the straddle to
$25 about 90 percent of the time. So I have A 10 of hearts and I decide to play with this guy. I complete the big blind and he makes it $25. I make it $75
(160 eff.) ... He goes allin and I snap call. LAG wakes up with QQ and I spike an ace.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:12 PM   #535
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

NH. Gotta ride the variance train with maniacs, and once you have half your stack in, obv there's no way you're laying it down.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:23 PM   #536
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

$2/5 in a room that almost never spreads it. $1/2 table converted to $2/5 since it had most of the list, and nobody added chips, they just all started playing between 20 and 60BB stacks. When I moved over from a $1/2 table, my $400 stack covered the table. Stacks have gradually gotten deeper over intervening hours, but are still pretty short. Basically these guys are playing $1/2 with bigger blinds, generally a very LP game.

Hero ($700) covers table. V's range from $150-$550. Two full stacks, two shorties, and the rest in the $300ish range. BB is one of the full stacks and more aggressive than table norm, though still pretty bad.

5 limpers to hero in SB with 99. Complete and set-mine against the world, but few full stacks, or raise? A raise to $15 will get all calls, almost certainly. $25 will get 1-4 callers (most commonly 2 or 3) with this many limpers in. Have not yet experimented with bigger raises.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:27 PM   #537
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

It depends how you're going to play postflop. If any over cards no set no bet mentality just complete.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:38 PM   #538
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I would just bump it bigger to $35-40 and be fine with taking it down pre-flop.

Table as described doesn't sound like there's much value in set mining, or at least not fat value, not enough to want to set mine.
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:21 PM   #539
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^^^This.

We only set mine against aggressive deep stacked opponents. We win money from passive players by betting our hands.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:04 PM   #540
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Playing in a pretty slow game, the guy two seats to my right is a "TAG" by definition, he is a winning player...I open UTG to 12$ with QhQs, (sizing is alittle bit bigger than my usual 8$, just because nobody is paying attention, so I could get away with some extra value).
I get 3 callers, TAG guy makes it 52$ from the SB...I fold, some fish calls...
Flop KT4r, he cbets and takes it down.
He then strikes a conversation about how this was a good spot to squeeze, and I told him there is no way he was squeezing there...
His preflop 3bet range is wide vs fish (TT+, and AQ+), but he knows my range is pretty strong UTG, and I think he noticed my sizing as well...and he is oop. Good fold?
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:54 PM   #541
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

lol @ that villain. people who are squeezing light and getting away with it do not and have no reason to make it known. i think he had AA KK or AK... i think you played well. theres like nobody at least in my experience in these live 1-2 games that has a 3b % higher than like 4. your fold is good imo. just keep track of how often he is doing it, which probably isn't often since he does it just with monsters, and push back accordingly.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:07 AM   #542
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I squeeze WAY more than almost anyone in 1/2 who is not ITF, and usually from the blinds, and I would never consider a light squeeze into 4 players OOP in a cally game.

I may have taken a flop here, because we have position and because there's a lot of AK in V's range, but folding is fine. His range is AK and KK+, imo.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:23 AM   #543
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Interesting hand from yesterday, not sure if I maximized my value on this flop.

SB is an internet pro, currently in the U.S. between overseas grinding trips. Is a consistent winner in this game. Generally plays straightforward, have seen him float gutshots with an overcard a couple times but usually doesn't get out of line.

2/5: Hero ($400) is dealt KQ UTG

Hero raises to $15, MP calls, HJ calls, both blinds call.

FLOP: K Q 2 (pot $70 after drop)

SB checks, BB bets $25, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB raises to $85, BB folds, Hero ???

Are you guys flatting here and hoping for villain to fire another barrel, or making a small raise to set up a shove ott?

This was on the last page, but I didn't see many comments about it. I think its a pretty interesting spot.


First off, I'm curious how many ppl are flatting BB's bet here??

I am flatting this exactly 0% of the time. 5 people saw the flop and we're OOP to 2 of them.

We've flopped sickness and need to be raising.

As played, though, I think you have to just flat SB's squeeze. If you re-raise villain here with no history, it looks so, so strong that I don't see you getting called by worse ever. His only value hands are 22, weak kings, weak queens. He's semi-bluffing JT. And is probably bluffing some air/gutters.

He folds all but 22 if you raise.

After flatting, we're in position for turn. And can shove over his bet. OR bet if he checks.
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I squeeze WAY more than almost anyone in 1/2 who is not ITF, and usually from the blinds, and I would never consider a light squeeze into 4 players OOP in a cally game.

I may have taken a flop here, because we have position and because there's a lot of AK in V's range, but folding is fine. His range is AK and KK+, imo.
His 3 bet was pretty large too, 25% of my stack
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:56 PM   #545
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Good point. I def wouldn't take a flop after all... Even with AK in his range, if he c-bets we're already across the commitment threshold, and the only flops we're completely comfortable with are Q high.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:30 PM   #546
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My last orbit of the night (although I don't have my chips in a rack, so no one knows this). I've played quite tight and I've been nursing my big stack of $800 the last couple of hours.

4 limps to me in the CO with KTo. I get outta line and raise to $30, expecting my tight image to take it down or get it HU in position. Unfortunately, two of the limpers are new to the table and complete unknowns, so they are unware of my image. My bad. We go 4way to the flop for $30 each.

Villain (HJ, last of the three $30 callers) is a complete unknown. Strikes me as an oldish european loose gamblooey moran. $500.

Flop (4 players, $130): K T 7

That was my backup plan. Checked to me, I bet $120, EP calls $120 all-in (not worried about him), Villain calls.

Turn (2 players + 1 all-in, $490): 5
Villain checks, I check

[Villain has $350 left. A bet at this point commits me, which I'd rather not do. Rather take a free shot at my fullhouse, otherwise perhaps get to showdown for cheap if villain lets me. Ok?]

River (2 players + 1 all-in, $490): Q
Villain bets $200, I call

[I gotta pay the man his moniez getting 3.5:1, right?]

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Old 04-24-2012, 01:11 PM   #547
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I hate it but I think it's a fold if there's little or no side pot. With zero bluffs in his range, there are so many more hands that he's value betting here that beat you than you beat. I can't say I would fold it in your spot though, especially since you said he's likely to be a moran.

Flush is very likely to be in his range with this line, he's not too afraid of being drawn out on, checks turn hoping you'll bet, then bets river after you check behind turn.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:14 PM   #548
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I hate it but I think it's a fold if there's little or no side pot. With zero bluffs in his range, there are so many more hands that he's value betting here that beat you than you beat. I can't say I would fold it in your spot though, especially since you said he's likely to be a moran.

Flush is very likely to be in his range with this line, he's not too afraid of being drawn out on, checks turn hoping you'll bet, then bets river after you check behind turn.
Is it possible he's just setting his price with Kx, QJ, QT or some garbage? Or perhaps retardo bluffing 98 (zero side pot, meh)? 22.5% of the time?
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Is it possible he's just setting his price with Kx, QJ, QT ....
after ur turn check; id say it's very unlikely
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:48 PM   #550
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1/3 NL

My last orbit of the night (although I don't have my chips in a rack, so no one knows this). I've played quite tight and I've been nursing my big stack of $800 the last couple of hours.

4 limps to me in the CO with KTo. I get outta line and raise to $30, expecting my tight image to take it down or get it HU in position. Unfortunately, two of the limpers are new to the table and complete unknowns, so they are unware of my image. My bad. We go 4way to the flop for $30 each.

Villain (HJ, last of the three $30 callers) is a complete unknown. Strikes me as an oldish european loose gamblooey moran. $500.

Flop (4 players, $130): K T 7

That was my backup plan. Checked to me, I bet $120, EP calls $120 all-in (not worried about him), Villain calls.

Turn (2 players + 1 all-in, $490): 5
Villain checks, I check

[Villain has $350 left. A bet at this point commits me, which I'd rather not do. Rather take a free shot at my fullhouse, otherwise perhaps get to showdown for cheap if villain lets me. Ok?]

River (2 players + 1 all-in, $490): Q
Villain bets $200, I call

[I gotta pay the man his moniez getting 3.5:1, right?]

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I think you bet too much on the flop, which may have happened if you didn't notice the shorty's stack going in to the flop. A bet of $70 on the flop keeps your range much wider which leads to getting called much lighter as well as:
1) provide info on how the shorty and villain react behind you,
2) make turn a better b/f spot

AP, there are alot more flushes in villain's range than a worse hand so I'm not sure if you are good 22% of the time
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