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Old 03-10-2012, 08:27 PM   #316
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

In position, do you always make this call?

It was folded to me on the button and I limped for $2 with 55 ... I had a guy in the BB who had been raising regularly and thought he might 3-bet me so I just called pre. Normally, I raise this about 75 percent of the time in a limped pot on the button. Sure enough, he makes it $17 in the BB. ($1/$2 game). He's got about $170ish in front, so right on the 10:1 to make the call. The SB is ready to muck and one limper calls in between ... I call.

Flop is 773 with two hearts. There's $50ish in the pot and he bets $24. I think about raising, but if he ships it, I have to decide whether to put in the final $100 getting 2:1 or fold, so I just call.

I think it's a standard board to see a turn card on, plus, he's going to bet AK here a lot of the time then give up on a low turn in my experience.

Call or fold here? Or raise? What is your standard line?

Villain is a late 20s black man who had previously lost set over set OOP to a guy just calling him down until the river. He left the table for a time and then came back. Not terrible, not real good, either.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:37 PM   #317
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

The way you played the hand is the perfect scenario of why I hate having pairs in my hand that don't hit the board or don't flop an overpair. I just hate bluffing with these types of hands. I want bd draws, blockers something. Not 2 outs, we almost never improve.

As played I would fold on the flop.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:17 PM   #318
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

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In position, do you always make this call?

It was folded to me on the button and I limped for $2 with 55 ... I had a guy in the BB who had been raising regularly and thought he might 3-bet me so I just called pre. Normally, I raise this about 75 percent of the time in a limped pot on the button. Sure enough, he makes it $17 in the BB. ($1/$2 game). He's got about $170ish in front, so right on the 10:1 to make the call. The SB is ready to muck and one limper calls in between ... I call.

Flop is 773 with two hearts. There's $50ish in the pot and he bets $24. I think about raising, but if he ships it, I have to decide whether to put in the final $100 getting 2:1 or fold, so I just call.

I think it's a standard board to see a turn card on, plus, he's going to bet AK here a lot of the time then give up on a low turn in my experience.

Call or fold here? Or raise? What is your standard line?

Villain is a late 20s black man who had previously lost set over set OOP to a guy just calling him down until the river. He left the table for a time and then came back. Not terrible, not real good, either.
This is thread worthy. Post it imo

I think I make a raise, but why is he 3 betting you so light? How confident he 3 bets your raise here pre? I actually think in this circumstance its ok to limp for your reasoning though.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:56 PM   #319
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This is thread worthy. Post it imo

I think I make a raise, but why is he 3 betting you so light? How confident he 3 bets your raise here pre? I actually think in this circumstance its ok to limp for your reasoning though.
started a thread. to answer your question, i think it was a combination of the fact that i had been raising a decent amount and shown down some suited connectors, etc. so if he has a medium-big pair he probably raises me. he also was stuck/frustrated. i hate to say tilt, because i don't really think he played badly, but you could tell losing a couple of hands had him frustrated.
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:32 AM   #320
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Johnny there is a chance this guy is raising you with a big draw if he thinks you can fold. What is his stack size? I have found that decent players will try to semibluff more against good players when they think they have a shot, this is based on table reads and his frequency I think.
He had about $160 behind.

I am always confused by these small raises. They seem to be begging for a call. But for many players who don't really pay attention to pot size, I suppose it seems like a robust raise (oooh $55 more!). To me it meant it looked like a $210 raise and I shipped to make it that. Doesn't seem like too tricky a situation with these stacks. I was deep at time (~300bbs) and was wondering how I should have played if there were 200bbs behind instead of 50bbs.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:04 AM   #321
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Hero (450) - Generally somewhere between TAG to TAP. Viewed today by unfamiliar villains as LAGgy. Have 3b light pf and shown. Other uncommon moves.

Villain 1 (covers) - Tight but decent Asian. Early hand I had TPTK and led flop hu and c/r non-scary turn. Didn't show but villain thought some air was in my range.

Villain 2 (covers) - Young LAG. Likely internet. Opens often and is bluffy. Talked lots of strat with friend. Bets draws on multiple streets.

Hand:

V1 limps utg. V2 raises 20 utg+2. Folds to me in sb. Flat with 77. V1 calls.

Flop (60):

489r

Checks around. Expected V2 to cb most of his range.

Turn (60):

4r

Check, check, V2 fires 40. I call, expecting V2 to have air/set (discount set, though). V1 calls. Put V1 on bare 8/9.

River (180):

Q

Check, check, V2 bets 115. Think V2 still has air or a Q. Think he fires flop with most Qs, though. Still think V1 has bare 8/9.

Hero?
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:49 AM   #322
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

WTF is a TAP?

I originally was going to say fold, but the more I think about it I might call. I can't really think of what V2 would have checked back the flop with that is beating us. My main concern is V1 behind us, btu presumably he will fold marginal hands rather than overcall them. Its pretty marginal though and may be better to just fold so you don't monkeytilt when you call and lose.
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:08 AM   #323
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I wouldn't flat here, as it encourages an overcall from V1. Personally, I think a raise here is super high variance, but would be sexy. No way V1 calls with bare 8 or 9, and V2 likely can't call unless he actually spiked the Q. Of course, if he has a set, he'll raise and you'll have to fold having put in half your stack.

Fold>Raise>Call here, imo.
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:13 AM   #324
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I wouldn't flat here, as it encourages an overcall from V1. Personally, I think a raise here is super high variance, but would be sexy. No way V1 calls with bare 8 or 9, and V2 likely can't call unless he actually spiked the Q. Of course, if he has a set, he'll raise and you'll have to fold having put in half your stack.

Fold>Raise>Call here, imo.
Meh, I'm not all that worried about V1 overcalling if he is tight but decent.
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:44 PM   #325
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I wouldn't flat here, as it encourages an overcall from V1. Personally, I think a raise here is super high variance, but would be sexy. No way V1 calls with bare 8 or 9, and V2 likely can't call unless he actually spiked the Q. Of course, if he has a set, he'll raise and you'll have to fold having put in half your stack.

Fold>Raise>Call here, imo.
That was precisely my line of thinking. I couldn't flat. If I'm V1, I overcall with 9T/9J/97 and maybe 78/68. I thought I was well ahead of V2's range. I gave a lot of thought (tanking) to raising... even min-raising to give V2 an opportunity to hero-call and to give V1 the fear of losing with all 8s and some 9s.

In the end, though, I folded and hated it. Absolutely hated my fold. V1 was nitty enough to fold what he later told me was either an 8 or 9, which was really poor. In his spot, I snap with any pair and maybe AJ.

V2 turned over A6s after his friend asked if he had quads. Given my previous plays, I wonder if he would have hero-called a min...

Edit: Garick, you flip over a single 7 if V2 (and V1) folds to a (min-)raise? I wouldn't mind giving the impression of a complete bluff. I've been doing that more recently in select spots and have found myself getting paid off more. Almost any bluff I'm showing.

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Old 03-14-2012, 10:44 PM   #326
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Garick, you flip over a single 7 if V2 (and V1) folds to a (min-)raise? I wouldn't mind giving the impression of a complete bluff.
Depends on the table conditions. Since I play a very cally 1/2 game most of the time (2/5 doesn't run here), I rarely feel the need to loosend up the table to get payed off more. I am rather in the market for FE, so I try to give the impression of a boring straight-forward player, which lets me steal a lot of medium-sized pots.

If there's a V I really want to tilt, or my image is starting to get nitty, I will occasionally show a bluff. If the table is nitty and bad I will often show a bluff, make a big semi-bluff and show, or even straddle to loosen it up. This, however, represents table conditions I almost never see.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:13 PM   #327
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

A couple of situations have come up lately where I am losing value on hands. I think I EXPECT the standard play too often and when it doesn't happen, it screws up my plan for the hand.

Example: Pick up 77 in the BB last night and there are 4 callers before it gets to me. It's $10 so I call the $8 more. Flop is K76 rainbow. I check, fully expecting the preflop raiser (or someone behind) to bet for me. It gets checked through and the turn is, of course, a 5. So I lead for $40 and get one caller. River is a 3. I bet $40 again and he calls, then mucks when I show my set.

I flopped another set later in a similar situation but with two spades on board I didn't want to give any free cards so I led out there.

I mean, preflop raiser in the 77 hand was pretty aggressive, so I guess it's not a terrible mistake to check to him.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:18 PM   #328
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I don't really like checking the flop 6ways there. The PFR is going to get checking pretty often. And we don't want to c/r anyway so you may as well just bet.

That's a really small river bet as well so I think you're missing value there.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:08 AM   #329
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

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Hero (BB)- Recently joined this table (about 20 hands in), played no hands the first orbit, then stacked a short stack when flopping top 2 with KQ. Played one other hand in which C-bet a 3 way pot, then folded on turn. ~$500.

Villain 1 (CO)- Has raised preflop, but limp-calls quite a bit. Fit or fold when he limps. On raised hand he C-bet in position, checked turn, then called a river bet and mucked to top pair. ~$130

Villain 2 (SB)-Raising often, varying the amounts. I think larger raises means bigger hands, but not certain. Possibly a good player, possibly just a crazy LAG. Has me easily covered.

Preflop: Villan 1 and Button Limp. Villain 2 raises to $6, Hero calls, Villain 1 and Button call.

Flop: Ac 7s 2s

Villain 2 checks, hero bets $20, Villain 1 raises to $50, button and SB fold...

What are we giving Villain 1 for a range here?
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Old 03-22-2012, 03:20 PM   #330
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

felt uncomfortable last night, thought I'd post. 1/2 NL

I've been at the table for only an orbit. Table is extremely friendly and talkative. It is very obviously a good situation. Effective stacks around ~65bbs, Hero has ~95 and villain has ~120.

utg folds, five limpers to me on the button with KJo. I make it 25$ all day. thoughts?

SB immediately calls, everyone else folds and we see a flop of 2 8 9 rainbow. SB checks. what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

Other reads on SB:
Was talking about how lucky his previous seat was
Saw him check a river OOP in a 40bb limped pot after check/calling flop and turn. He rolled top and bottom pair and said he knew he was good but wanted to let someone else bet for him.
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