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01-19-2012, 03:41 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Los Angeles
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
Depends on effective stacks? I would just check your action.
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01-19-2012, 04:06 PM
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#17
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 512
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
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7 handed, UTG limps. Seen him limp a few times in the last 3 orbits. I am fairly new to the table, been here for 20 minutes and action is going around fast due to SH play. SB looks weak and limps, Hero is in the BB with A  7
Are you guys raising here? I do and expect to be ahead of UTG limping range.
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I hate being oop with this hand. A few limps in a few orbits in my game means likely to fold to a C Bet so raising looks OK. I usually check (perhaps wrongly).
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01-19-2012, 04:12 PM
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Haz Chuck Norris 4 Dad
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 5,518
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Depends on effective stacks? I would just check your action.
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E stacks are 100bb
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01-19-2012, 04:23 PM
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Referee
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Living on the air in 3 forums
Posts: 15,553
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
If he's raising top 5% hands and limping the next 25% of hands, you're a 53/47 favorite playing oop. Unless you think having position doesn't matter, you're not in a value situation.
I can see raising as a bluff if his limping range is wide and his calling/raising range is tight.
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01-19-2012, 07:31 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 364
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Folding is super nitty here..
OP - Our hand OTT hinges on FE IMO. If we can't get him to fold out the bottom of his range if we shove then its real close to a fold. However, if you think V can fold those hands then we can shove and probably feel good about it. I don't know the particulars of the math, hopefully someone else can come in and do dat.
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So folding is nitty because you don't know the math? To me that is how we spew. Like pokahblows mentioned, none of our outs are clean, so even though the gunshot gilts it slightly, its not enough. If he has a higher FD, all our outs are tainted, so we instead of 13 outs, we can estimate our chances of being best at showdown at around 30 percent. On top of that, we have reverse implieds that, while smaller than our implieds, are still enough to chip away at EV. Our best shot here is if he folds, which is very unlikely given the action. If you can't find a fold here, label the play whatever you want, but please sit at my table.
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01-19-2012, 08:16 PM
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Cant Cflat Aint My Tone
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Team Blue Shark Optics @friscochris
Posts: 9,822
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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Originally Posted by Phulhouze
So folding is nitty because you don't know the math? To me that is how we spew. Like pokahblows mentioned, none of our outs are clean, so even though the gunshot gilts it slightly, its not enough. If he has a higher FD, all our outs are tainted, so we instead of 13 outs, we can estimate our chances of being best at showdown at around 30 percent. On top of that, we have reverse implieds that, while smaller than our implieds, are still enough to chip away at EV. Our best shot here is if he folds, which is very unlikely given the action. If you can't find a fold here, label the play whatever you want, but please sit at my table.
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Ok your correct. We should fold this flop. I mean he totally has like AdXd every time. I just learned a poker lesson today... Never play the second nut draw because the nut draw is there 100% of the time.... Wow
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01-19-2012, 08:17 PM
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Cant Cflat Aint My Tone
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Team Blue Shark Optics @friscochris
Posts: 9,822
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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Originally Posted by Phulhouze
So folding is nitty because you don't know the math? To me that is how we spew. Like pokahblows mentioned, none of our outs are clean, so even though the gunshot gilts it slightly, its not enough. If he has a higher FD, all our outs are tainted, so we instead of 13 outs, we can estimate our chances of being best at showdown at around 30 percent. On top of that, we have reverse implieds that, while smaller than our implieds, are still enough to chip away at EV. Our best shot here is if he folds, which is very unlikely given the action. If you can't find a fold here, label the play whatever you want, but please sit at my table.
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Ok your correct. We should fold this flop. I mean he totally has like AdXd every time. I learned a poker lesson today... Never play the second nut draw because the nut draw is there 100% of the time.... Wow
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01-19-2012, 08:26 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Enlightenment
Posts: 14,130
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
2/5
7 handed, UTG limps. Seen him limp a few times in the last 3 orbits. I am fairly new to the table, been here for 20 minutes and action is going around fast due to SH play. SB looks weak and limps, Hero is in the BB with A  7
Are you guys raising here? I do and expect to be ahead of UTG limping range.
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raising here is ****, check here 100% of the time
I'd raise KQ, AJ+, 99+
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01-19-2012, 08:50 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 117
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
@ pay for my school
A  7  isnt that great of a hand to raise with, against a unknown i would check. A7s plays pretty well postflop as well. If you have a edge postflop why not use it? 100bb isnt super deep to get too much in pre. If you raise, how much fold equity do you have?
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01-19-2012, 10:10 PM
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Cant Cflat Aint My Tone
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Team Blue Shark Optics @friscochris
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
I'd probably 65/35 that... 65 check, 35 pump. Really just depends on how I view the OOP player.
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Meant to say the IP player. If he is folding to a big percentage of cbets then this is a raise all day. If he is going to give us fits then check and play post.
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01-20-2012, 12:21 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Russia
Posts: 574
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
Hero (MP)($240) raises 1 ep limer to $10, BU, SB(Villain), and EP call.
Villain is white late30s 5/5+ pro spending time while no bigger game is available, he is good at every aspect of the game, really really good. He is TAG and doesn't try to tun the table over just beats his money out of people when he is ahead and bluffs if he senses weakness. Covers Hero.
Hero KcQc.
Flop: 2c8d9c [$42]
Checked to Hero cbets $30, Villain raises $100. Hero?
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01-20-2012, 01:22 AM
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#27
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 117
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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Originally Posted by elcebro
Hero (MP)($240) raises 1 ep limer to $10, BU, SB(Villain), and EP call.
Villain is white late30s 5/5+ pro spending time while no bigger game is available, he is good at every aspect of the game, really really good. He is TAG and doesn't try to tun the table over just beats his money out of people when he is ahead and bluffs if he senses weakness. Covers Hero.
Hero KcQc.
Flop: 2c8d9c [$42]
Checked to Hero cbets $30, Villain raises $100. Hero?
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Here i would be hard pressed to find the fold button. Hero has 2 overs and a flush draw on a draw heavy board. I expect Villain to be raising with flush draws, overs, pairs, or even air. Stove some ranges, but at the table I think you have too much equity to fold and not enough behind to call. A shove is in order.
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01-20-2012, 01:52 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Russia
Posts: 574
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
You can discount air. There was no signs of weakness from me and he doesn't suffer from fancy play sindrome. He definetely has smthing.
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01-20-2012, 02:42 AM
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#29
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Haz Chuck Norris 4 Dad
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 5,518
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
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Originally Posted by elcebro
Hero (MP)($240) raises 1 ep limer to $10, BU, SB(Villain), and EP call.
Villain is white late30s 5/5+ pro spending time while no bigger game is available, he is good at every aspect of the game, really really good. He is TAG and doesn't try to tun the table over just beats his money out of people when he is ahead and bluffs if he senses weakness. Covers Hero.
Hero KcQc.
Flop: 2c8d9c [$42]
Checked to Hero cbets $30, Villain raises $100. Hero?
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I think whats important is what is your image to him? Does he consider you good?
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01-20-2012, 02:51 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Russia
Posts: 574
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions
Yes he does. He knows I'm a winning player, we discuss strategy sometimes (offtable). This I was playing a little bit tighter then usual due to table dynamics. KQs is near the bottom of my MP raise range at this session, and he have noticed that for sure.
I think I was raising AJs+, AQo+, KQ, 99+ in this spot.
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