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09-09-2016 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Fold pre absent reads.

What range do you think BB is 3-betting you with?
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Obv call once we bet and get raised.
(Although, even then it's sorta close as we sometimes have 2 or 1 out lol).
But, yes, fold pre.
You're putting in 1/4 of your stack OOP with AQ against an unknown.
Prolly a recepie for disaster.

I'd rather cram it in pre than call it off readless.
But both seem pretty spewy.
Thanks for feedback, appreciate it.

Readless then do we have a raise/call range at all? If AQdd is too weak to call with here, anything stronger would surely be a 4bet.
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09-09-2016 , 04:09 PM
AQ should be pretty much the bottom of your value range from UTG so folding it to a 3bet is super standard (without other reads). Once we see the flop then I'm fine with GII here. It would be pretty standard to shove preflop with any range that you are going with, although I would probably flat with Aces preflop and then get it in on most flops.
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09-09-2016 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by massivetime
Thanks for feedback, appreciate it.

Readless then do we have a raise/call range at all? If AQdd is too weak to call with here, anything stronger would surely be a 4bet.
For this sizing with these stack sizes? Not much if anything at all.
Thing is, we can play pretty perfectly against what is likely a super strong range.
Now if he made is like lol $30 and we were $300 deep, we could def have a raise/call range here I think, esp if we think that we'll get 1 or two of the other people in the hand to come along.
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09-12-2016 , 08:38 PM
Saturday early evening, table is ~half nitty, half splashy. 1/2NL

H in sb, ~350.
V1 BB, ~250. Solid player, H sucked out earlier after bluff shoving. We're pretty much avoiding each other whenever possible, as there are better marks at the table.
V2 UTG+1, mawg with omc tendencies. ~500 after H stacked off with AQss vs AKos, H missed flush draw on A hi flop.
V3 HJ 35ish mabg, table spot, waaay splashy, sees every flop, V3 and H have been going toe to toe for the past hour or so, having fun. ~400.
V4 CO, mabg, straightforward. ~500
V5 btn, just sat down, mid 20s Asian kid, 200

V2 raises to 15. Range optimistically TT+, more realistically QQ+.
call, call, call, H in sb has 3d3c, calls.
BB calls (was concerned when calling behind that BB would make a move, but I would have been ok gii pre here heads up).

6 way to flop wheeeee pot is ~85 after rake.

flop 379ss wheeeeeee we haz set!

V1 leads out 35 lol figured he'd do that, V2 raises to 70, folds to V5, who flats. Pot is now ~260.

V1 is pretty wide, maybe 2 pair at best. Overpair is unlikely. V2 very likely overpair. V5 officially terrifies me as an unknown who flats a min raise.

Hero?
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09-12-2016 , 08:57 PM
If v2 is never folding you could just shove, which is still less than psr lol.

105 is fun, cause after the furor of hey that's not a raise dies down, v2 flats, v5 shoves, you call, and if v2 just flats, you can shove the turn in the smoke, I'd yell ONE TIME, but that's just me.
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09-12-2016 , 09:01 PM
Anyway 125 or less might be best so that v5 shove would reopen action, followed by h call should keep v2 fully on the hook
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09-12-2016 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
Saturday early evening, table is ~half nitty, half splashy. 1/2NL

H in sb, ~350.
V1 BB, ~250. Solid player, H sucked out earlier after bluff shoving. We're pretty much avoiding each other whenever possible, as there are better marks at the table.
V2 UTG+1, mawg with omc tendencies. ~500 after H stacked off with AQss vs AKos, H missed flush draw on A hi flop.
V3 HJ 35ish mabg, table spot, waaay splashy, sees every flop, V3 and H have been going toe to toe for the past hour or so, having fun. ~400.
V4 CO, mabg, straightforward. ~500
V5 btn, just sat down, mid 20s Asian kid, 200

V2 raises to 15. Range optimistically TT+, more realistically QQ+.
call, call, call, H in sb has 3d3c, calls.
BB calls (was concerned when calling behind that BB would make a move, but I would have been ok gii pre here heads up).

6 way to flop wheeeee pot is ~85 after rake.

flop 379ss wheeeeeee we haz set!

V1 leads out 35 lol figured he'd do that, V2 raises to 70, folds to V5, who flats. Pot is now ~260.

V1 is pretty wide, maybe 2 pair at best. Overpair is unlikely. V2 very likely overpair. V5 officially terrifies me as an unknown who flats a min raise.

Hero?


I love that good player is avoiding Zollie













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09-12-2016 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
I love that good player is avoiding Zollie













I'm busy not caring
Poetic license mother****er

Sent from my phone...oh wait nm.
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09-13-2016 , 07:49 AM
Stick it in...
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09-13-2016 , 08:21 AM
Bet flop the first opportunity
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09-13-2016 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
Bet flop the first opportunity
disagree, check first to let MAWG bet and trap tons o cash in between. If we bet then MAWG raises and everyone else folds.

I'm going to broke set-over-set here every time, so whatever raise generates the most action, that's the one I want to make. Whether that's a shove or something smaller is all I'm considering.
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09-14-2016 , 10:36 AM
Almost zero chance that BB or MAWG weren't betting such a dry flop, hence the check.

I think, in retrospect, flatting flop would have been a better idea. Doubtful that BB is calling the initial raise, and MAWG would probably bet most turns, so really only worried about an A or K peeling.

Instead, I felt like MAWG was never folding, so I shoved, since it wasn't much more than the pot. BB snap folded. MAWG tanked hard, and finally folded JJ. BTN calls, board runs out clean, BTN flips TT and leaves. :O

Glad to see others shoving in this spot tho.
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09-14-2016 , 10:46 AM
Gotta get it in. Many turns that kill action/ suck out. They'll pay now. Make them pay.
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09-19-2016 , 09:36 AM
2/5 must move, I just sat down an orbit or two ago. 6handed. Straddle is Middle aged woman i've played with some, she has given me respect on turns and rivers when a lot of players wouldn't, and she's been correct to do so. Aggro game, she plays 5/10 too. Other caller is brand new to table, 30ish black dude nothing out of line with appearance or demeanor. Both these players only have 275 i cover.

She straddles, I'm UTG and open QTo to 30. V2 had posted UTG1 and he calls, V1 straddle calls. She would 3bet kinda liberally I think. Flop AK4r she checks. My plan?
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09-19-2016 , 10:00 AM
Bizarre stack size for a 5/10 player unless you're in West Palm. You could give up, you could bet $30, you could x/jam.
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09-19-2016 , 10:13 AM
Sizing question:

cliffs: wild 2.5/5 Game, lot`s of action, most players are >400bb deep and almost everypot is huge, always multiway to the flop. An UTG open to 25 is like a limp in this game and people are overcalling a lot vs 3bets.

Hero: has been active, but is viewed as competent and not that bluffy,

OTTH
UTG (action player - 1.5k) opens to 25
UTG+1 (fishy reg - 1.5k) calls 25
fold
MP (first hand .. guy looks like a gambler, came over with roulette chips - 1k) calls 25
MP+1 (Hero 800$) JJ ???

what`s your sizing here?
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09-19-2016 , 12:24 PM
175
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09-19-2016 , 12:35 PM
175 sounds pretty much perfect. Use a mix of green and red chips. Throwing 2 black out looks way too scary.
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09-19-2016 , 02:21 PM
I'd strongly consider a call/4!jam
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09-19-2016 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by zoltan

V1 leads out 35 lol figured he'd do that, V2 raises to 70, folds to V5, who flats. Pot is now ~260.

V1 is pretty wide, maybe 2 pair at best. Overpair is unlikely. V2 very likely overpair. V5 officially terrifies me as an unknown who flats a min raise.

Hero?
If your desc for V1 is accurate then he really should not be leading pretty wide.

V5 flats more than just 77/99.

Just shove the pot now and hold on tight, it's gonna be close.
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09-20-2016 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by proBono
Sizing question:

cliffs: wild 2.5/5 Game, lot`s of action, most players are >400bb deep and almost everypot is huge, always multiway to the flop. An UTG open to 25 is like a limp in this game and people are overcalling a lot vs 3bets.

Hero: has been active, but is viewed as competent and not that bluffy,

OTTH
UTG (action player - 1.5k) opens to 25
UTG+1 (fishy reg - 1.5k) calls 25
fold
MP (first hand .. guy looks like a gambler, came over with roulette chips - 1k) calls 25
MP+1 (Hero 800$) JJ ???

what`s your sizing here?
$150

Pot will be $350 on the flop, we can $200 on the flop and $450 into $750 on the turn.
If we go 3 ways to the flop, I might just cram.
but if we think there's a strong change that we will go 3 ways to the flop then $175 might be be better pre flop so we are only cramming $625 into $550.
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09-30-2016 , 03:56 AM
If I'm utg+1 with AA and utg opens to $10-15 or whatever their standard size I would typically 3bet, but currently I'm never 3bet bluffing there so should I bluff every once in a while with a hand like A5s or just never bluff even though that feels so dirty? I could always flat to enduce a squeeze, although the people I play with don't really squeeze very often so probably not. I personally 3bet more than most at 1/2, especially in squeeze spots or versus players who open fairly wide and fold to 3bets, or if they call a lot ill 3bet wider for value, so maybe I'll get less credit there if people don't really notice a difference between me 3betting utg+1 and 3 betting on the button with an open and 3 callers. Also if I decide to exploitatively never 3bet bluff in that spot, or similar spots surely I can't 3bet QQ or AK, and maybe not even KK right? God I hate full ring...
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10-01-2016 , 03:00 PM
1/2 mid day on Friday @ casino

Late 20s wg opens to 12 UTG. (No read read, seemed tagish)

Folds to hero in sb w AsJs, I call (~250 eff). Bb folds

I don't feel raising does much. I'm OOP, table hasn't had any 3! so probably only get called by better on my 1st one, AJs plays ok multiway if bb calls.

Flop: QT5r (no spades)

Check, check

Turn: Kc

Hero bets 15, V calls

River: blank

Hero bets 21, V raises to 50

Assuming we're chopping a ton, but what's our 3! to? We have a little over 200 left. What is the most we can bet to get called by worse, if ever?

Hero slides out a stack of 100, so I raised to 121 total.
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10-01-2016 , 03:18 PM
Seems fine now but initial river bet should be bigger and I wouldn't be surprised if V showed AK and folded
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10-01-2016 , 03:33 PM
Fold pre. As played bet more on river. When villain raises river, ship it.
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