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08-26-2016 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
1/3 NL, couple of limps (1 pro, 1 terrible fish), I $20 in the CO with AKo, the Button who never gets out-of-line and plays his hands face up *min*raises to $40 leaving $60 behind, the pro folds, the terrible fish calls with $100 behind.

Hero?

Getting 5:1, just call and spike an A/K and possibly stack fish, probably win nothing off of 3better although poor RIO if he has what I'm blocking?

Just jam, I've got to have more than my fair share of equity plus added bonus of most likely a side pot against fish?

Nit fold as it's simply too likely I'm up against what I think I'm up against, or am I being far too MUBSY with lol 33bb stacks?

GwhydoInotknowwhattodoherehavingplayedalmost3000ho urs?G
I shove here, but a good one to throw same ranges into a calculator just to see how tight button needs to be to make folding better.

Let's assume fish is never folding. What kind of range should we give him? 10% ? 40% ?
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08-26-2016 , 04:42 PM
Maybe I'm just MUBSY here, but when he lol minraises me leaving what would be just a 3/4 PSB left HU, it looks like he wants action. We've played lottsa of live low stakes limit poker in the past where he might have seen me as an aggro monkey, but he's just getting his feet wet in NL and really just ABCs it at the big boy table.

I did some very quick stoving against his TT+ (which I'm concerned isn't tight enough, and I'm fairly convinced he doesn't have Ax here) plus ex. fish's Ax / 98s, and in both cases I come up with less than 1/3 equity (although things get messy thanks to the side pot against fish where I'm a decent fave).

The other thing is that Villain will only have a 1/2 PSB left; I'm not sure he'll be able to fold A/K high boards for that if he does show up with QQ-TT.

GeverythingIdidherefeltkindameh?G
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08-26-2016 , 05:50 PM
sorry, meant how should we range the fish
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08-26-2016 , 06:00 PM
Pretty loose (earlier he straddled $6, overovercalled a raise to $26, then shoved over top of a limp/reraise to $80 for $120 by yours truly), doubt he's folding anything at this point.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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08-26-2016 , 06:01 PM
With what?

Last edited by iraisetoomuch; 08-26-2016 at 06:11 PM.
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08-26-2016 , 06:06 PM
meh, turns out fish range matters very little. assuming no one is folding to our jam, fish range is nearly irrelevant, assuming tight button range.

EV of Jam - Fish 25% range, Button KK+ = ~ ($31)
EV of Jam - Fish 25% range, Button TT+,AK = ~ +$17

I probably still jam on principle, looks grim though.
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08-26-2016 , 06:10 PM
Thing is, if I'm playing someone as rock tight and mostly super passive without the nuts as GG sems to be from his posts (not a bad thing, just a read) then I'm never min 3betting him here without the goods. Prolly QQ+, and sometimes AKs. So gg should always be beat here.

But if someone min 3bet me in this spot with everything else the same I'm going to pile AK so fast people from another table might wonder what happened.
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08-26-2016 , 08:20 PM
2-3 weeks of run bad has me questioning myself. Anyone want to give quick comment on whether or not I screwed any of these hands up. Some are coolers. Some maybe not. I didnt lose all of these.

1) MP raises to $20. I call in BB with AsQs. $450 effective.
Flop ($40) 8s 7s 2s. I check/call $25
Turn ($90) 9d. I check..he bets $60. I make it $160 and he calls
River ($410) 9s. River paired which sucks obv. It also brought the 4th spade so I checked to allow him to bluff. I'm calling any bet as I committed myself on the turn.

2) EP raises $15. Gets 3 calls. I make it $75 with AA in BB. EP calls heads up.
Effective stacks $425
Flop ($195) Qh 7d 2c. I check. He bets $85. I check raise all in.

3) Limped pot. I have KhQd in SB. I complete. 5 to the flop.
Flop ($25) KcQc2s...IT checks to button who bets $20. I call as does MP.
Turn ($85) 5h. I check. Now MP leads $40. Button calls. I check raise to $180. Only MP calls.
River ($485). As. I shove $275.

4) I limp AcQc UTG. MP raises to $15. Button calls. I reraise to $65. They both call.
Effective stacks $560ish
Flop ($200) Ad 8h 2s. I check. MP bets $65. Button folds. I call.
Turn ($335) 9h. I check. MP bets $200. I check raise all in. Its $250 more to him.

Im noticing a common theme of a check raise that either puts us all in or commits me to shove any river.
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08-26-2016 , 09:37 PM
1) Seems ok
2) It's such a dry board. Villain has to be really terrible to call with worse here.
3) Lead flop. Checking river may be better here.
4) Don't limp. Turn feels like a fold. Either way don't like the shove.
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08-26-2016 , 10:41 PM
your post flop actions in the four hands:
x/c, x/r, x/c
x/r
x/c,x/r,shove
x/c,x/r

I get that these are 4 EP hands, but man that's a lotta checking.

1. I prefer to lead flop with overbet. AP, turn x/r sizing decision is in no mans land due to x/c $25 on flop. $160 too low, jam overplay, would consider jamming tho.

2. Pre $95. AP I'd lead flop for $70, with a plan of 1/3 of remaining stack on turn, jam river.

3. Flop Lead>x/r>x/c. Hate the x/c. Don't want to think about the turn, as flop was too gross. River, worst card other than Ac, AP river is x/f or maybe x/c due to pot odds, shoving river AP seems terrible to me.

4. Pre ok depending on Villains, I'd probably go with a b/b/b plan $65, $130, shove.
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08-26-2016 , 10:58 PM
1) You want to lead the flop with an overbet? Hes going to fold everything except a big pair with a spade. Why not at least let him C-bet? If he checks behind, its not the end of the world. I think he would fold most everything except a big pair with spade to the $160, but I'd be fine with the overbet jam on the turn.

2) Your line is fine too. I just figured he either has KK and I stack him. He has QQ and I get stacked or Im not getting much else out of him.

3) I understand hating the check/call, but I think I get more money in my way if the turn doesnt bring the flush. Its never checking thru on the turn. River card sucks but he doesnt have AQ and AK is pretty unlikely.

4) This villain was very aggro and thought he could run the table over. He thinks a check is a license to bet no matter what he has.

Its definitely a lot of checking, but as you can see its not because Im playing passively. Its to get more money in the pot.
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08-26-2016 , 11:09 PM
Curious about your ranging to support shoving river in hand 3. Putting him on K5?
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08-26-2016 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
Curious about your ranging to support shoving river in hand 3. Putting him on K5?
Honestly I cant figure out WTF he has there. Maybe I should check and let him bluff a missed FD?
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08-28-2016 , 03:26 AM
$2/5 - Table has agreed to an UTG $10 straddle.

Hero - Straddles. $1200
BB - Good solid player. $2,000
UTG+1 - Rando 50 year old. $500

Us 3 go to flop, me checking my straddle option with 56

5105 ($30)

Check, I bet $25, 50 year old calls, BB check-raises to $80.
I flat, surprisingly the 50 year old flat behind.

9 ($270)

BB now leads $225
You...? It was $7 more for BB to see flop. Putting him on A5/K5/Q5? Board is super dry
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08-28-2016 , 09:23 AM
What worse 5x can he have? He's check/raising two players which is a lot stronger than h/u. Could he be getting tricky with a big pair and was hoping to l/rr pre?
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08-28-2016 , 10:34 AM
He has a decent amount of 45/56/57 imo, which isn't good, seems like the non-5x part of range isn't big enough but I haven't mathed.

Also seems like a spot where you need to account for some percentage of air
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08-28-2016 , 05:24 PM
My only thought was whether or not he's putting me on a 5, leading basically pot with trips.
I'm not sure he is. Maybe he thinks I have something like 2s-7s? and checked in the straddle, betting a paired board/dry flop and he's going to try to rep the 5.

I folded... The other guy called with who knows what K10/A10 I guess.
He had Q5o
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08-28-2016 , 05:53 PM
nice fold, stationing in the hopes of a chop is not so good
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08-29-2016 , 02:09 AM
Posting this hand for someone else to learn so don't laugh if it's too standard by most...

6 handed V1 -$1200 asian woman somewhat decent
V2-$325 MAWG very lose passive pre not positionally aware range is pretty much ATC from the 90 mins I've played with him

Hero $500 TAG

V1 opens cutoff to $15 , H calls w/4s4c on btn V2 in BB calls.

Flop:Qs4d5c 2 checks, H bets $30 BB calls V1 folds

Turn: ($100) 6d V2 checks. H Bets $80 V2 all in $290

HERO : ?

More than one reply would be appreciated for me for other person thanks
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08-29-2016 , 04:37 AM
I'd be shoveling in chips as quick as I could.
If he's playing ATC and he's not very good I'd assume he's showing up with 67s, 67o and now has a pair and open ended.
56, 46, Qd7d, Qd3d, etc etc.

A set of 4s is so far ahead of any possible range he's playing.
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08-29-2016 , 05:32 AM
Mike

Hand 1: Lead flop as said above, dunno about overbet, depends on your game. Hand plays entirely different when you lead. But also, 3 bet pre. Good place to raise BB without AA. This is the hand of the 4 I shove river.

Hand 2: Lead flop.

Hand 3: x/c river.

Hand 4: I think an lrr is overplaying this hand, unless there is some missing meta info. Lead flop, re evaluate.
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08-29-2016 , 08:45 AM
Results in my hands:

1) I checked river to allow him to bluff after the 4th spade hit. I called his all in and lost to 77. I like the way I played this one.

2) He called my check raise all in with KK....probably didnt matter what I did.

3) I lost to 3c4c...shouldve checked river, but result is the same this time.

4) He folded. I limped preflop just to mix it up. The guy was constantly raising to $15 with all kinds of junk, so once he did it and got a call, I thought a reraise was a good play. He also thinks he has a license to bet whenever someone checks which is why I played it this way. He asked the dealer to see the river so he mustve had either JT or picked up a heart draw on the turn.
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08-29-2016 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Results in my hands:

1) I checked river to allow him to bluff after the 4th spade hit. I called his all in and lost to 77. I like the way I played this one.

2) He called my check raise all in with KK....probably didnt matter what I did.

3) I lost to 3c4c...shouldve checked river, but result is the same this time.

4) He folded. I limped preflop just to mix it up. The guy was constantly raising to $15 with all kinds of junk, so once he did it and got a call, I thought a reraise was a good play. He also thinks he has a license to bet whenever someone checks which is why I played it this way. He asked the dealer to see the river so he mustve had either JT or picked up a heart draw on the turn.
Both hands 1 & 3 need 25-30% equity to x/c river. Villains don't bluff enough, so both are candidates for x/f. Hand 1 I can see the x/c cause Villains often go: "no spade, I can't win if I don't bluff", hand 3, lots of villains give up and don't blast their flush draw here, so I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion. Both hands it's important to remember the general passivity of Villains and avoid the temptation to be a hero without a good reason.
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08-29-2016 , 06:31 PM
Mike

Do note that you have been running bad. You noticed a common theme in your hands, that of checking too much. Keep in mind that when we are running bad, we may want to return to more straightforward ABC play. This is not only about the hands we play, but the way we play them. Most of these hands should have been led OTF. I also prefer a 3 bet preflop in hand 1 and a regular raise preflop in hand 4.
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08-29-2016 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Mike

Do note that you have been running bad. You noticed a common theme in your hands, that of checking too much. Keep in mind that when we are running bad, we may want to return to more straightforward ABC play. This is not only about the hands we play, but the way we play them. Most of these hands should have been led OTF. I also prefer a 3 bet preflop in hand 1 and a regular raise preflop in hand 4.
The common theme is checking a lot (not sure if its too much or not), but its not checking because I'm playing passively. Its checking because Im confidant Im ahead and I want to check raise against aggro opponents and get more money in the pot.

A 3 bet in hand 1 and a regular raise in hand 4 would be fine of course.

If I 3 bet in hand 1, maybe he doesnt call with 77 but I suspect he does unless I make it huge. We wouldve just gotten all in sooner. Hes still never folding a set in a 3 bet pot.

A regular raise in hand 4 certainly wouldve cost me a lot of money compared to how I played it (assuming he called preflop).

But I get your point, there may be other hands that Ive played strangely recently that have cost me money. I'll never play ABC, but I have gotten back closer to normal lines in the past few days.
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