Fwiw I wouldn't feel comfortable at all playing professionally on your roll size.

So no, I'd focus on playing 2/5 until your roll is much larger (50k+ usd probably a decent roll for s 2/5 player to weather ds and random life stuff) so I'd just grind like a sob, then plan on taking like a 5k shot at the bellagio 5T during the wsop.

Like if you only maintain a 12k bankroll you will 100% go bust imo, thats like one losing month + life expenses

I wouldn't either, but with a job $13k is quite comfortable. Professionally? Not even close. That's why I thought that if anything, if I intend on being aggressive with my BR at any point beforehand its right now

Our games are not deep here.

My bankroll is not my life roll. They are completely seperate.

Like what I'm saying is I'd focus on volume now so that moving into playing professionally you'll have a bigger roll.

Basically, imo, the risk of losing right now is >> the risk of winning with your plans.

Also I'd like even more,.even with a job, because taking money from my bank account and putting it on the poker table doesn't sound too entertaining. Bankrolls are like retirement accounts, we want them ever expanding and you can parlay that into investments or just a nice big safety net.

Like I mean I have enough disposable income I can swing several hundred and play some 1/3, snd maybe yall are rich, but I can't reach into my back pocket and pull out several grand for 2/5+ without touching demarcated accounts.

I mean I'm for being aggressive but the higher the stakes the greater opportunity cost you risk by taking shots. At 20k I'd be willing to take shots.

Also I play bad and swing a lot so take that fwiw.

Point well taken and I don't understand why you say you play bad. Unless you have tilt issues no one knows about, your HH are usually pretty sound.

I'll hold off on the shot taking at $5/10 until I add at least a few thousand more and the game is juicy. Thanks for the feedback.

Chuck, I mean pay4:

If you have a steady job and you have a decent BR, why not take a shot at the higher stakes. I mean it's not life and death and you'll still have a roof over your head if you should lose 10K of your BR, then why the hell not?

Sometimes you have to take a risk to get ahead...or fortune favors the bold. So go ahead do it!

I mean, I was thinking more like a 2BI shot, if it fails, then back to business at $2/5

2k is like 15% of your roll

Which would be replenishable with my job. Not so much in a couple months. Still thinking I will avoid shot taking, but this thread lingers in the back of my head.

dude, do it - at least you can say you did it. No regrets, and you'll never have to wonder "what if".

I don't mean to get into your business but I've known many people who regretted not taking their shot.

I'm sure it's going to be tough and emotionally draining but it was the same thing when you moved to 2/5 I'm guessing...so do it and never look back.

Pipe dreams itt if you think taking a random 5T shot at 13k is going to get you at escape velocity out of 2/5 and the thing about good games is swings are bigger.

I've played a fair amount of 5T, but it doesnt run locally, but anything less than a 4x bi shot seems pointless.

I've never met anybody well rolled who can't shot take any time they want.

Surprised this hasn't been pointed out yet but 5/10 is a totally different game from 2/5. The jump from 1/2 to 2/5 is pretty vanilla but 5/10 is like some complex Ben & Jerry's blend.

It's not just going from a $500 buy in to a $1,000 buy in, it's playing a very, very different game.

One that should not be played with scared money. And shot take money is always scared money, at least to some extent.

Please do not go pro 2/5 player with a 13k roll. You should have a comfy 25k. And taking a shot at 5/10 is a disaster. You can't play poker the right way at 5/10 to take shots. Its not a game where the regs and fish play their medium range passive. You will get swallowed up. It would be a waste of money since you are quitting your job in 2 months.

oh didn't know he was quitting his job in two months...well, yes, wait until you have a BR that can withstand the ups and downs.

Fwiw the higher you go the more the bad players come in the way too aggro form imo

Taking a shot and moving up is fine. Imo, the best way to do it is to do it transitionally.

Your transition should be something like:

Month 1: 1/2NL 80% and 2/5NL 20%
Month 2: 1/2NL 60% and 2/5NL 40%
Month 3: 2/5NL 80% and 1/2NL 20%
Month 4: 2/5NL 100%

If you follow the above transition path or something like it (whether you are moving up to 2/5nl or 5/10nl, etc) then the frequency of shots and when to take a shot, etc will take care of itself.

Plus, it helps you gradually transition to the next level, figure out the quirks, adjust, get acclimated over time, etc while all the while you have a nice steady game you regularly beat that supports you as you move up...

Lastly, obviously if we start to run bad we drop back down and start the transition path over. Rinse and repeat until you are 100% at the level you'd like to be at.

Imo, if you are thinking about turning pro, you DO NOT want to turn pro and simultaneously be playing a game (5/10nl) you are not sure you absolutely destroy.

If you were keeping your job, then I would have absolutely no problems with you taking some shots at 5/10nl.

however, since you are going to be quitting your job (at least that is what you infer) then the worst thing you could do is to take a shot at 5/10nl when you aren't properly rolled.

If poker is going to be your sole income, then you need to be ONLY playing games you absolutely destroy and have a proven winrate and track record. THEN, once you are WELL ROLLED you can start taking shots and transitioning to higher limit games following the transition path I outlined above.

Or put another way, $13k just is not enough of a cushion to both turn pro and take shots at 5/10nl. Truth be told, I'm not even comfortable with the notion of trying to go pro with a $13k bankroll even if you have a solid winning record at 2/5nl.

All of this "taking shots" and "moving up" discussion is different in the context of having a job vs not having a job.

If you are going to do this as a poker pro, then you need minimum of 3 months living expenses paid out in advanced (not saved, paid out) and 40 BIs at the 2/5nl level, then once you have that you can start taking shots at 5/10nl.

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yes, this guy knows what he's talking about, take his advice and pearls of wisdom..this is a guy who's been there and done that.

Points well taken, thanks guys. The lineups of 5/T players are the same as the ones that I have significant hours w at 2/5, and our games aren't big. Figured I'd ask. Im not taking a shot.

I give advice and pair pressure says **** that guy, dgi says the same thing and it's genius

Fml!

LOL - Sorry dude, I had originally thought that pay4school had a steady job and was ready to take his shot @ 5/10, but then I found out that pay4 was quitting his job in 2 months which changed everything.

Didn't mean to insult you or anything. My apologies if I did.

Grind up your 2/5 roll like a mofo and add to it while you still have a job. Do you have kids? Responsibilities? If I had a family I wouldn't be comfortable being a poker pro without 6months of all living expenses and 40-50BI roll + investments & other savings. If you're single then choose the risk you are willing to take! I would recommend establishing yourself as a pro and adjusting to the lifestyle at the 2/5 level first.

Yea having a family is a serious leak

Kids are the worst std

Little bundles of freedom-restriction

In the poker game of life....women are the rake.