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Old 07-24-2012, 09:23 PM   #1
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meta game shoves

My friend tells me I played this absolutely horribly. I think it was pretty creative. Either way, I may never see this again, but whatever.

We are playing a home game at a bachelor party, and my buddy is drunk (i have been drinking also). Now, he loves to bluff, and when he does so, he talks trash. But he is pretty smart, and acts about the same way when he has a monster - thus he does really well at our home games, because he gets a lot of folds when he is beat, but gets a lot of calls when he shoves with the nuts. When he has a mediocre hand that he wants to get to flop with (usually a mp or worse), he gets pretty stationy. The wetter the board the more aggressive he is with his solid hands.

we are playing $.25/.50, about 250bb deep.

I open to $5 w/ JJ pre. he calls behind, along with the bachelor.

Flop ($15)
K 10 8

Hero bets $10, villain calls $10

Turn ($35)

3

Hero checks, villain checks

River ($35)

5

Here is where it gets interesting. I think for a few seconds. Based on his play, he probably doesn't have a draw as he would have bet it. I think he has a lower pocket pair.

Hero bets $15,

Villain raises and tells me to "get out of here with your jacks". Okay, so he has just read my hand. Fawk. Now what.

villain raises to $30.

I tank for a while. I still think i am ahead, and am pretty sure this is a bluff. So, I turn over my cards showing him my jacks, and say "fine, ass, but I know you don't have a K"

Hero raises to $45

No more than 2 seconds pass

Villain raises all in to $155

Hero snap calls

Villain knocks over his tequila and shows 22

So was my play totally bad, or just great based on my reads. I truly don't know right now, though I want to say it was the latter.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:28 PM   #2
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Re: meta game shoves

In normal play this would be stupid insane. But against a close friend you have played a lot you might actually have a good enough read for you to be right more then wrong.

More likely you where both drunk.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:29 PM   #3
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:31 PM   #4
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Re: meta game shoves

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Old 07-24-2012, 09:35 PM   #5
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Re: meta game shoves

If you knew your friend had an underpair and you knew that if you showed him your hand and bet that he would spazz shove to fold you out then yes, you played it with Ivey-like brilliance...

But I'm not sure that was the case.

What happened here is that you were involved in an egocentric leveling war in which your ego made you make a play for the sake of your id, and when you got shoved on you made a reflexive call because you didn't know what else to do.

You can't make these sorts of plays/calls and then retroactively justify your play is what I think.

That way lies the path to the donk-side...

but in case i'm wrong, and you made this play knowing you could induce your FPS friend to shove with worse, then it is a good play...
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:37 PM   #6
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Re: meta game shoves

Just call his river raise. Reopening the betting does nothing. The majority of the time he's s either gonna folding what you beat, shove what beats you and sometimes put you in a tight spot. Don't flash your cards esp vs someone capable of bluff-shoving. You're just asking to get spanked. You have a showdown value hand so treat it as such unless you're absolutely sure I guess . Against anyone but a guy you know inside and out it's pretty bad, but hey it's a bachelor party and you probably both have had a few...
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:48 PM   #7
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:00 PM   #8
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Re: meta game shoves

I guess if u truly knew that your JJ were good on the river and villain ha a smaller pair, and you thought that showing him and min-raising him would level him into spazz shoving all-in to try and bluff u off your hand then this might be the most well played hand in the history of poker lol
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:05 PM   #9
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So when he actually does have 85 and sees your hand he can freeroll shove on you?

Cool I guess.
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:08 PM   #10
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Sweet brag
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:10 PM   #11
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BBV is

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That way.

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