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Old 06-23-2012, 07:34 AM   #1
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Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

I am a small stake player, 2/5 5/5 once in a while. So its 4 in the morning the stacks are big i just sit with 500 in a 5/5 game at a club in NYC. This is normally a very loose and crazy game, it plays very big.

I win 3 decent pots build my stack to 1500ish. Then I see AA. I am in MP with around 1400 behind. Donkey/fish/villain has me covered with 1600ish.
Pre Flop:
Donkey EP makes it 40, I 3 bet 105. Call. Pot: 220.
Flop: 367.
Check. I bet 165, Call. Pot: 550.
Turn: 8.
Check. I bet 330, Call. Pot: 1210.
River: 8.
Check. I ship...

What do you guys think about this hand and should I have pot controlled more or I should go for maximum value there against a fish who will call anything? I put him on 10s through KKs and felt the river was very safe and he checked weakly. What kind of hands should I put him on based on the flop, turn, river. I would like some other insights and thoughts thanks.

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Old 06-23-2012, 07:36 AM   #2
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Re: Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

300bbs in a game this weak, im not usually one for "pot control" but i would checkback river or bet $200 or something.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:38 AM   #3
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Re: Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

more preflop, post I like although expect to lose some OTR
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:40 AM   #4
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Bet more on each street
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:54 AM   #5
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Re: Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

slam dunk river jam
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:54 PM   #6
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Re: Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

If he's not gonna fold any pair on the river then its a pretty easy shove. The more hands he can fold the smaller u want to bet.
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:40 PM   #7
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pre to 130, post i like it very much.
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:45 PM   #8
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Re: Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

I mean you played it fine, just don't expect to win it every time or anything.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:06 PM   #9
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Re: Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

Much bigger pre. Against a huge donkey this deep i'd just make it like 150 at least. He's never gonna fold pre. Post looks good, although I'd bet more on flop/turn
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:03 PM   #10
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Re: Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

It's hard for anyone here to put a range for this villains. You have to be observant to see what hands he shows up with at showdown to construct a range. based on little info you provided, any range constructed here will be that of a loose unknown player. I'm guessing TT+, ATs+, AQo+

pre is fine. I like the 2.5x raise size when in position
Flop: fine size if he's calling..i generally bet 125-140
Turn: bet less to keep his entire range intact
river: his range is mostly overpairs. Therefore, I bet the maximum that I think a hand like TT would call. Not sure if a shove will get called by ALL of his weaker pairs.

Donkeys don't like to fold but Donkeys don't like to be put in a difficult spot. They don't think of bet size in relation to stack size or pot size, they look at the absolute value of a bet size....I bet $400
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:20 PM   #11
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Re: Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

One thing that bothers me with the sole description the villain is that he's a fish/donkey is that really tells me absolutely nothing. Is he weak tight where he'll never risk more than 50BB without the nuts. Is he an absolute calling station that couldn't lay down a potentially winning hand no matter what? How many hours do you have playing with him? Without any reads, I've got to lean towards you have no clue whether he's any good or not, but just haven't seen him do much. You have no idea how he got to $1600.

The answer is that either you're the donkey or it was a good play. Without any information, we don't have any way to judge whether stacking off nearly 300BB with just an overpair was a good idea. Generally, stacking off 300BB with just an overpair is not a good idea.
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:54 PM   #12
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Re: Maximum value from BIG fish can be Risky

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...The answer is that either you're the donkey or it was a good play. Without any information, we don't have any way to judge whether stacking off nearly 300BB with just an overpair was a good idea. Generally, stacking off 300BB with just an overpair is not a good idea.
100bb, fine, bet bet bet get it in
200bb, meh... okay bet bet bet get it in if V is an aggro donk
300bb, are you F***ing kidding me????

Stacking off 300bb with just an overpair in a "vaccuum" is meh at best.

Now am I saying this is a bad line? Not necessarily.

What I'm saying is that in order for this to be a good line, we need more of a read and player description.

Against an ABC player, I would feel very comfortable here because an ABC player is only calling a 3bet pre with JJ-KK, AKs

But a donk? All bets are off and we need more of a description for "how" he is a donk. Is he level 1? Does he respect your image? Does he think you are a spewtarded luckbox? Does he think you bluff too much?

Anyways, these need to be the questions you know the answer to before you stack off.
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